11 Replies to “Chiappa apparently does not get the message.”

  1. You know I thought I wanted one of there Rino’s (especially one of the new ones for rimless cartridges…. Now, I won’t take one if it was given to me with 10K rounds of free ammo.

    Well second thought, I take it for the ammo and then sell it without ever getting fingerprints on the side arm.




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  2. Unless they are shielded from such fields, yes they can be fried. typically a good heavy magnet on a powered sub-woofer should do the trick. Another option is a microwave for just long enough to toast it, etc.
    All that said, you’re absolutely right. “They just don’t get it.” I hope to see their sales plummet sharply. While ‘fixing’ having an RFID tag is possible, I’d rather see the concept rejected entirely, and their pocketbook demonstrate that to them clearly.




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  3. It’s funny how they only point out the potential benefits and ignore all of the drawbacks and issues. Wow, either criminals or the government would love to drive through neighborhoods and ping to see who has a firearm. I realize that these are probably smaller and weaker RFID units and thus their range is limited, but I worry that a good antenna or other clever methods could increase the detection range.

    Chiappa needs to be punished severely in the marketplace or we might see a governmental mandate for it in all new firearms here.

    I’ll never buy a single product from them now.




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  4. First off, I do understand the concern and the distrust among gun owners.

    Removal instructions: For those concerned you can simply remove the grip and remove the hot glued RFID from the frame in the grip area when these begin to appear.

    With that in mind, RFID isn’t a “tracking chip” and it cannot transmit anything — it has no power source (unlike cell phones).

    Recently several Italian gun makers (not just Chiappa) decided to utilize RFID technology to improve manufacturing and provide more accurate inventory control, and this technology will proliferate to other gun makers world wide as it is so efficient for everything from production QC control to export/import varification.

    Other industries already use passive RFID technology such as on DVDs, sunglasses, clothes and even some food products for example.

    Basically, Chiappa’s RFID (again it is radio frequency identification) assists the manufacturing process, inventory control and shipping. The type of information on the RFID ties in the firearm and proof house verification; the latter is required by the Italian Government for all firearms made in Italy.

    Passive RFID is also a final check that verifies that what is inside the sealed box is the same thing as shown on the box exterior bar code during shipping. Now, it will no longer be necessary to open/inspect hundreds of boxes by hand prior to packing in export containers.

    The Chiappa PASSIVE RFID can be read ONLY when passed within (2-3 inches) of an active (and powered) reader that is dialed in for the particular long antenna radio frequency of the RFID-this is not random.

    RFIDs have NO power source or GPS locator. They are NOT transmitting your identification and location information to a Chiappa Firearm-tasked CIA satellite.




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  5. The Chiappa PASSIVE RFID can be read ONLY when passed within (2-3 inches) of an active (and powered) reader that is dialed in for the particular long antenna radio frequency of the RFID-this is not random.

    Somehow I don’t buy the 2-3 inch since the ability to read a passive chip is not determined by the chip itself but the energy coming from the reader.




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  6. @Jason
    I do not want to go through life sounding paranoid, but on the other hand, politicians and the gun control freaks have a track record of putting legislation in place that is useless and often insane. So, I am trying to remain skeptical and vigilant.

    Well, I understand that the RFID chips are not blasting a signal out to the universe and spy satellites.

    However, the issue may be more a matter of scale. I heard that ranchers can use large RFID gates to ID their cattle as they go through them (so distances are greater). Thus, larger readers, more power, maybe the ability to scan multiple frequencies and other techniques could be used to create mobile units, These could go through a neighborhood and detect the RFID chips in future firearms. Now, that is the black helicopter scenario, but aren’t there already vehicle-based X-ray machines out there?

    The real danger of all this is from the abuse of the precedent. For instance, what about some hypothetical future legislation that every firearms purchase or transfer has to be verified with an RFID chip? Such a law could be used as a Trojan Horse for gun registration. It could also be used to “close the gun show loophole” as it were. Adding very stiff penalties for removing the RFID would be called for also (like messing with the airplane lavatory smoke detector). Then you can see either bad police or government agents using the lunchroom microwave to “cook the chip” and have bogus weapons charges stick.

    Maybe some sort of Buck Rogers RFID-enabled trigger lock could grow out of this technology where only the authorized user with an RFID electronic key can fire that weapon. People have asked for this type of technology before, but it’s application to civilians has dark overtones if the government could send a signal and render non-police, non-military firearms inert.

    OK, returning to Earth from my trip to Planet Crazy, what about the ability of bad guys or the police to wand CCW holders and detect their hidden firearms? That at least seems plausible and could easily be abused. A whole lot of Fourth Amendment rights violations could happen.

    The biggest point is that firearms owners should be wary of any mechanisms (legal or technology-based) that might result in firearms confiscation. It’s been done far too many times before and the results have often been the loss of the ability, or even the right, of self-defense, or even more dramatically, genocide.
    See UK, Australia, Nazi Germany, all the communist countries.

    Yes, the current Chiappa RFID chip seems innocent enough and can be removed/defeated, but it’s Italian mandate for use could support the next attack on our Second Amendment. For instance, consider the desire for micro-stamping and ammo purchase ID checks and other schemes. Let’s nip this one in the bud if we can.




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