Dear American liberals

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950’s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a our separation agreement:

––Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

––We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.

––You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
––Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.

––We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.

––You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.

––We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.

––You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.

––We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks.
––We’ll keep Bill O’Reilly, and Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .

––You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.

––You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.

––We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.

––You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

––We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.

––You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.

––We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
––We’ll keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “The National Anthem.”

––I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya” or “We Are the World”.

––We’ll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.

––Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

John J. Wall

Law Student and an American

P.S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie Sheen, Barbara Streisand, & ( Hanoi ) Jane Fonda with you.

P.S.S. And you won’t have to press 1 for English when you call our country.

62 Replies to “Dear American liberals”

    1. This is not the complete list; it was taken from the 45 Communist goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963.

      Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

      3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

      15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

      17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
      26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.” 

      (Leviticus 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.)

      27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”
      30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
      31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

      36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
      37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

      Luke 10:18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
      In ancient Hebrew the word for lightning is barack, the word for heaven or the
      heights is bama and to connect the words either an “a” or an “o” is used.

      “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” – Barack Hussein Obama – Audacity of Hope

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 (King James Version)
      3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      Political Correctness a term first seen in Mao’s Little Red Book, a communist engendered abomination that is instituting censorship little by little.

      “If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”- George Washington

      Carl Marx, once wrote that, the goal of the Communists was to quote,. “enter into men’s minds and cast God down from his throne.”

      Matthew 12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


      In ancient Babylon their economy was based on usury.
      “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest. Exodus 22:25
      Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:13
      Usury is unlawful; expressly prohibited by GOD!
       Article 1 Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution clearly states that only the Congress can print and coin money! 

      The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was slipped thru congress during the Christmas break with the majority of it’s members absent. 

      The Federal Reserve is self serving and privately owned in violation to the Constitution, charging interest on illegally printed money. Money printed from nothing!
      In America On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. Five months later A UNITED STATES PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY was MURDERED BY COMMUNIST! 

      Our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. (But vetoed a raise for those on Social Security) A member of Congress only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus.  If some one in the military stays  in for 20 years (providing that they are not killed in combat before that) and gets out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $2,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm’s way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.

      The debt added by the previous 43 U.S. Presidents from 1789 through 2002 combined was
         $6.3 trillion

      The debt added by Obama is
          $6.5 trillion

      “I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”—Roger Baldwin, leftist, anarchist, and Communist, was born in Wellesley MA and co-founded the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

      “If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest. Exodus 22:25
      Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:13
      Usury is unlawful; expressly prohibited by GOD!
      In ancient Babylon their priest sacrificed babies to their gods baal, and molech.  
      In America the communist under their socialist programs have sacrificed over 50 million American babies to their god satan!
      Leviticus 20:2-5
      2Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel , Whosoever he be of the children of Israel , or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel , that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.
      3And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.
      4And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
      5Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
      Luke 22:35-36 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

       “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.” – Barack Hussein Obama
      Jeremiah 50:16Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the SICKLE in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.
      Jeremiah 50:23How is the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH CUT ASUNDER AND BROKEN! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!
      BABYLON = the HAMMER and SICKLE!
      Jeremiah 50:14-15.    14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. 15 Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen , her walls are thrown down : for it is the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done , do unto her.

      Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying , Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down , and shall be found no more at all. 

      – The U.N. Charter was written by Alger Hiss, Molotov and Vishinsky

             — Molotov and Alger Hiss made a secret agreement that the military chief of the U.N. was always to be a Russian, appointed by Moscow

          — It was Russia who insisted the U.N. be placed on U.S. soil
              — Whole sections of the U.N. Charter were copied intact, word for word from the Russian Constitution

              — Kruschev’s orders to the communists have been “Rule the U.N.”

             — The only two U.S.A. Senators who voted against the U.N. Treaty Charter were the only two Senators who had read it

       — The U.N. is helpless on vital questions because Russia has veto power.

             — Under the U.N. setup, the U.S. taxpayers have been forced to make up the U.N. treasury deficit of millions of dollars for Russia refuses to pay her share.

             — The U.N. has never passed a resolution condemning Russia or her so-called satellites – but it does condemn our allies.

             — J. Edgar Hoover of the F.B.I. said, “The overwhelming majority of the Communist delegations to the U.N. are espionage agents.

      — At the time of the Korean War there were 60 nations in the U.N. Yet 93% of the U.N. forces were Americans, and 95% of the cost was borne by Americans.

             — The U.N. policy during the Korean War was to prevent America from winning the victory over the communists.

             — The U.N. was responsible for aiding Castro.

             — Article 47, Par. 3 of the U.N. Charter states: “The Military Staff Committee shall be responsible through the Security Council for the strategic direction of any armed forces placed at the disposal of the Security Council”.

             — All battle plans of General MacArthur had to go through this Soviet Chief.

             — Any future wars fought by the U.N. would be fought under the same military operations controlled by the U.N. Security Council.

      — God is not mentioned in the U.N. Charter and meetings are not opened with prayer? The Communist co-creators of the U.N. had it agreed that there should be no mention of God and Jesus Christ.

      Communist Goals (1963)
      #11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

      “The American people will never 
      knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”— Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
      “Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate.”
      Sun Tzu 
      “We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.”—Nikita Kruschev, former Soviet Premier/dictator.

      The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the Americans freedom and before I leave office I must inform the Citizen of his plight.” PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
      (5  months after he signed Executive Order 11110, and 10 days before he was murdered)

      The number murdered by Communist regimes or organizations in the past hundred years stands at roughly 120 million. Just for the sake of this ideology, these people were removed from their homes, worked to death in concentration camps, exiled to perish on the Siberian steppes, subjected to the horrible tortures in the most horrible prisons, executed by brainwashed Communist militants, strangled, had their throats cut, or starved to death in deliberately-created famines.
      The savagery of this red terror began first in Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.

      All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD will I destroy them. Psalm 118:10

      Revelation 18:1-8
      1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying , Babylon the great is fallen , is fallen , and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying , Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously , so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

      “The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!”. George Washington

        2 Timothy 2:15   Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 

      Jeremiah 48: 10Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

      Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying , Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down , and shall be found no more at all.



  1. Some will call me excessive but I ended every friendly relationship I had with Obama supporters. Cost me more than one ‘friend’. I told them that friends don’t vote chains for my grandchildren. I am no longer amused by the loony left and I intend to take the fight as seriously as they obviously do.


  2. So the Second Amendment is okay, but screw the First.
    Just trying to clarify your position and hatred of the BoR.


    1. I think the point is that the ACLU really only stands for the 1st and sometimes 4th and 5th Amendments, while we have organizations for the others: NRA, 2AF, 10AF, Oath Keepers, just to name a few.


      1. I treasure all the Amendments of the Bill of Rights.

        The author of the article obviously isn’t a big fan of religious freedom.

        I am not a Christian, but I wish them no harm. I just want to be left alone to worship as I see fit. I live by the Golden Rule, which is NOT an exclusively Judeo-Christian idea.


          1. Secular law trumps religious/canonical law, of course.
            The Catholic Church has been really slow to learn this. Should we expel all of the Catholics because the Church actively and repeatedly attempts to hide priests that molest children?
            The Puritans hanged non-Puritans like Mary Dyer for not being one of them.
            Do the Salem witch trials ring a bell?
            The early Puritans in this country had a piss-poor record of tolerance even for OTHER CHRISTIANS. So bad that England had to step in and it also drove Roger Williams to found Rhode Island.
            Not as bad as radical Islam to be sure.
            People that break Malum In Se law should be punished regardless of their religion.


            1. Did you even read what I posted? I said Freedom of Religion, not being governed by a Religion. If you are looking for a fight, go to a forum.


            2. This is what I read–
              “––We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.

              ––You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain.”

              Sure sounds like you would be for kicking out the Muslims, Scientologists, Humanists and Shirley McClainists without Due Process.

              I’m just trying to understand.

              However, besides posting Mr Wall’s work, with his permission I’m sure, you don’t seem to be willing to explain your stand on it.

              I’m not looking for a fight, I’m looking for reasoned discourse.

              Maybe I’m in the wrong place for that.


              1. Sure sounds like you would be for kicking out the Muslims

                Oh, yes I am…. You see, you mentioned fuck ups from other religions and true they happened. And also the change happened within the religions (slowly sometimes) to improve. Islam is still the same BS as when founded, still believe in making people SUBMIT rather than voluntarily choose to participate and they are far from a religion of peace.
                Then again some of us carry grudges for a very long long time.


            3. Change? Catholics? LOL
              Ever heard of the Magdalene Laundries?
              AFAIK the Church is STILL opposed to integrated schools in Northern Ireland.
              Anyone in the country that has not broken any laws should not be ejected without Due Process, and then only after they have broken a law.
              You are not a fan of Liberty or Civil Rights, just guns.


          2. I don’t agree with kicking them all out, just so long as they don’t try to force their views, beliefs, or such on anyone else. Want to preach to others? Fine, no problem. Convert or die? Nah, I’ll choose option three: my .45 says you can go to hell. The same is true with anyone else’s religions and philosophies: preach whatever you want but in peace. Once you try to force people, even if I agree with what you’re saying, you’re done and need to stop or go.


            1. Muslims have the long standing tendency to stay for a long time and not leave when asked nicely. I will make exception for certain Muslim nationalities with a long and proven track of not being asshats such as most Turks & Lebanese.


            2. Convert or die? Sounds like the Catholic missionaries in Mexico.
              If that happened in the US it would definitely be reason to take up arms, no doubt. But it hasn’t.
              Hopefully our system of checks and balances contained within our SECULAR government combined with the vigilance of the People will prevent it.


            3. So you see no value in Due Process?
              Violence is sometimes necessary. Freedom and Liberty are messy, however they are preferable to pogroms like the ones you seem to favor.


            4. How about we just agree that you are prejudiced, narrow-minded, and a hater of liberty just like the gun-grabbers–it’s just religious freedom you hate instead of gun rights. Just as the Russians did to the Jews, so you want to do to the American Muslims.


        1. I was drawing a simple parallel between your “why do you hate the Bill of Rights” and the classic “have you stopped beating your wife, with just a touch of a Godwin’s law violation for emphasis.


          1. So kicking someone out because of their religious beliefs when they have committed no crime doesn’t violate the First?
            Nice ad-hominem attack too. So did your break and train your keyboard all by yourself, Mr. Keyboard Cowboy?


            1. It’s just a religion here. I could care less about the rest of the world. If the Muslims here break no laws, they should have equal standing.


            2. It’s “on history” and what history are you relying on? Please outline for us the history of Muslims in the US and how they have attempted to interfere with the Rights of others.


              1. Well, I do rely on the fact that they did invade on lands where Christians & Jews were living peacefully, engaged in general warfare, took over and those who did not “submit” and converted or paid tribute (meaning blackmail) were executed or had to run for their lives. It took Centuries to kick them out and they are back screwing things up.
                It is the XXI Century and Islam still preaches violence, practices abusive treatment of women, engages in slavery and its trade and pretty much are stuck sometime in the XII Century or maybe earlier.


            3. So they do that in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Please provide sources. I am very interested in learning about the slavery rings in the United States. It is the conduct of the people while in the United States I care about.


  3. Just an observation here.

    Any of you who voted for Romney and didn’t support a true Tea Party candidate are as much to blame for this as the Libs.

    We need to quit sacrificing our principles and start standing up for our beliefs instead of voting for the mainstream Republican.

    Each of you who didn’t do this should be looking in a mirror.


    1. It really doesn’t help when half of America are brain dead sheep who hear Obama speak and just ignorantly believe what they hear. People who vote on promises rather then track record.


    2. I voted for a TEA Party-compliant candidate. At my Caucus meeting, and during the Primary election.

      He didn’t win, so I voted for the guy who wasn’t a socialist.

      You want better candidates? Attend your caucus meetings and vote in the primaries. Otherwise, you’re just so much noise.


  4. We elected Tea Party supported Ted Cruz to the U.S. Senate in my part of Texas. Mr. Cruz had the backbone to stand up to the G.O.P.same old B.S. and we supported him. Not voting for Mr. Romney was a vote for obama. Party Republicans, grow a set of BALLS! Sacrifiing our priniples, no, but until the G.O.P. grows a pair, what do we do……..?
    Respectfully submitted. 🙂


    1. “Not voting for Mr. Romney was a vote for obama.”

      Really? I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way… at all. Even putting aside the issue of the Electoral College, voting for Obama is the only way to vote for Obama. If I vote for a 3rd party candidate, I’ve voted for them, not Obama. Who says that I should vote for Romney instead of simply staying home?

      The fault here is not those of us that didn’t vote for Romney, it was in the Republican Party purposefully throwing another election by putting up a weak, unelectable candidate and running a pathetic campaign on “social issues” (abortion, religion, etc.) rather than focusing on the economy, freedom, the Constitution, and other truly important things for our country. Listening to the two of them (Romney and Obama) “debate” was like listening to a Democrat party primary. Where was the true disagreement? Where were the party principles, or any principles for that matter? No real discussion on national debt, unfunded liabilities and “entitlements,” no open and honest talk about spending, the Federal Reserve, inflation, or foreign policy; nothing but hollow words and empty promises. Next time, instead of strong-arming in their appointed candidate, how about they follow their own party rules and let the people decide who the candidate should be? And instead of blaming people for not voting for Romney, give them a candidate that excites them and makes them want to vote.

      When the best thing that can be said about Obama is that he’s not Romney, he sucks as a candidate and politician.

      When the best thing that can be said about Romney is that he’s not Obama, he sucks as a candidate and politician.


      1. Oh, and before someone tries to convince me of the myth of Romney’s “plan,” think about whether he actually had one. Besides “ending loopholes,” which is an effective tax increase on most people, did he actually promise anything?
        Well, he promised to create jobs, right? Wrong! Governments don’t create jobs, at least not good jobs. All gov’t jobs are funded from tax money, meaning that the more gov’t jobs there are the more money they’ve had to take out of circulation without any need to justify it. How often do we complain about the post, the DMV [or whatever your state calls its motor vehicle arm], the road construction guys and others for doing a terrible job? Just remember that you voted for Romney/Obama to make more jobs for those people and that you still write their paycheck… only you let everyone else determine how much of your money they’ll take from you at gunpoint.


  5. Quick observation before we devolve further into a 9mm v 45 ACP type argument, I want to shoot two hard truths.

    1-The GOP once again ignored the Conservative base and forced a good man but not a conservative one to run for President. That lead to disenchantment and low voter turnout in certain cases. They also failed to recognize that there are Hispanics that are not Mexican and failed to attract them to the party once more.

    2-Libertarians behaved like spoiled brats. It is time to recognize that Libertarians are not guided by the principles of Ayn Rand (She hated Libertarians) but in reality they have no set principles and are dogmatic as shit. That is the reason they were begging for a 5% to get their hands in federal funding (contradictory) and barely got 1%.

    So basically both parties fucked up and both need to reassess strategies and core values.


    1. No set principles? Liberty, the Constitution, very small government, low to no taxes, no use of force beyond self-defense, no government coercion, self-determination, privacy, free market, no fiat currency, no central bank nor money printing… hmmm, I guess Libertarians have no set principles. But, then again, I guess I’m being “dogmatic as shit” by pointing out that you’re wrong… or that we “behaved like spoiled brats” when the GOP broke its own rules to elect Romney. Next time, would it be better if we just kept quiet and let the GOP give us whatever candidate they choose or should we actually be allowed by to participate like normal people?

      Oh, and Ayn Rand hated us because she was far too pro-war (and pro-big gov’t on a few other things) to be accepted by our community.


    2. When a 45acp does a poopoo it`s called a 9mm. After all this mind blowing deep thinking, I couldn`t help myself!! Love to Debbie W-S 🙂


        1. The problem with both of your candidates is that they’re Automatic rounds. For real handgun power, you need something designed to be fired from a revolver.


            1. Big 9mm = .357 magnum???

              What the hell? Since when? I mean, sure, I could argue that my 10mm at the proper loading is close to a .41 magnum, or a .357 Sig is close to a .357 magnum, but let’s not forget that 9mm Parabellum and .45 Auto are both a century old, whereas the .357, .41, and .44 magna* are all younger by several decades each.

              *Magna is the Latin plural of magnum, just as data is the plural of datum


              1. Truly and I apologize. It is said that the .357 SIG does come close to the ballistics of the .357 Magnum. Not quite but good enough.
                Or we just can go ahead and buy the Coonan 1911 in .357 Magnum 🙂


      1. I’d make a joke about it, but I just can’t bring myself to do so since:
        1. I own a 1911 in .38 Super (along with two in glorious .45 ACP)
        2. More importantly, that was done by JMB himself.

        It is heresy to say bad things about St. Browning, or so we believe in the Church of of Mighty M2


          1. The guns or the politicians? If the latter… well, you’re obviously not shooting them enough!

            *legal disclaimer: if you’re offended, go frell yourself. I’m not suggesting that people shoot politicians. I am, however, saying that it almost certainly would help if we started culling the political herd. They eat too much of our money and leave us with nothing but bullcrap, so the analogy is fitting.



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