My 17 year old daughter is an alcoholic, so your 21 year old daughter cannot have a gun.

We bought her a replacement, a highly desirable 5s that she promised to guard with her life. Weeks later, after another party, my “slightly drunk” daughter tumbled down some stairs. She wasn’t injured, but the iPhone screen was cracked

via You think your drunk college-age daughters are bad with their iPhones? Imagine them with guns. – The Washington Post.

I am trying to come up with something to say that does not include mass quantities of bad words and I find myself stuck. She loses two iPhones to drunken bouts, something that may point out that she may have a much bigger problem than being 17 and sort of hints what kind of lousy parental influence she may had in her life, but no the problem is guns.

Forget the fact that the “author” conveniently ignores the fact that you need to be 21 and have a permit to carry and forget the rest of the usual verbal manure we are used to hear from the Gun Control Activists, the next two quotes shall give you a pretty good idea about how disassociated she is from reality:

She begins the article with:

Since my 17-year-old daughter left for college last fall, campus rape has been on my mind. According to a study in the Journal of American College Health, women in college are at their highest risk for rape during their first semester.

But later we read this:

Fortunately, iPhones aren’t weapons; but they are anti-rape devices.  On the simplest level, they promote safety by keeping women and their friends aware of one another’s whereabouts. Women can check in with friends throughout a night of drinking.  They can call or text one another if they need to be extricated from a difficult situation.

Hello? Earth to Ms Skomorowsky, didn’t you just tell us that your Woman-Child lost two iPhones? So exactly how is the damned lost things going to help her in case of an attack? And, it is not like the rapist is gonna give her a chance to call the cops or take his picture; your daughter will be rapidly and brutally attacked and she may have the chance to let out a scream…maybe.

And this one for the win:

Fighting campus rape requires information-sharing and solidarity. Emma Sulkowicz, the Columbia College senior who has been carrying her mattress to class to protest the university’s handling of her rape complaint, has done more to fight rape than anyone could ever do with a weapon

Silly me, but I think the news story that a campus rapist laying flat on a morgue somewhere because his intended victim put several bullets in his insides, will carry more weight among the predators that some weird activist dragging a mattress like she was some homeless person looking for a warm spot to sleep.

But I might be wrong.

30 Replies to “My 17 year old daughter is an alcoholic, so your 21 year old daughter cannot have a gun.”

  1. All of this nonsense is predicated with the (false) assumption that college students aren’t adults. I reject it without further scrutiny and don’t particularly care about those who refuse to recognize or embrace adult citizen status.




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  2. Forget the “21 to buy a gun” thing – how about needing to be 21 to merely consume alcohol?

    At 17 her daughter is still a minor. She knows her daughter has an alcohol problem but fails to seek medical care for her daughter. Sounds like contributing to the delinquency of a minor if not felony medical child neglect.

    I lurv when someone admits to a/several crimes in order to “prove” their anti-rights position.

    stay safe.




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  3. It sounds like he’s made a good case for his daughter not carrying a gun, but not for everyone else. This is classic psychological projection.




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  4. Since all of these under 21’s are to incompetent, we need to start by repealing the 26th Amendment. That’s the one that gave 18-20 year olds the vote. They obviously can’t be trusted. Look what they did in the last two presidential elections. Also, raise the age to 21 for service in the military. If they can’t be trusted with a hand gun, how can we trust them with machineguns and grenade launchers.

    When the 26th Amendment became law (Jan 1 1970) a lot of states lowered their drinking age to 18. After that failed experiment, the fed-gov blackmailed the states to raise it back to 21. And yet the summer of my 17th year, I was firing a M16 on full auto 2 weeks before I was 18.

    Like everything else, a few bad actors and we have to punish everyone. Just like the gun control screeching mommies. Someone commits a crime with a gun and they want to punish me. That silly ass woman might want to look at her parenting skills. If her precious little snowflake is getting falling down drunk at 17, they missed out teaching her any kind of lesson about the real world.




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    1. Funny you should say that. There are 4 “growing up” milestones: drinking, sexual consent, voting, and driving. Those ages are currently, in order: 21, 18, 18, 16.

      I would like to propose we rearrange them to, in order: 12, 16, 21, and 18. Let the kids get accustomed to alcohol under their parents’ supervision, and let them learn to drive after they’ve learned to deal with intoxication instead of the other way around(which is a recipe for disaster, as the high mortality rates of both 16 and 21-year-old drivers can attest.)

      Voting, likewise, I’d like to raise the age to 25 but it needs to still be low enough for political groups to want to visit college campuses. Give the kids some inundation in the system for a few years so they can learn about it before they start making mistakes.

      Why 16 for sex? Partly to get it below driving(which theoretically puts your sex life at the mercy of your parents for a couple of years), and partly because honestly I don’t really see any stopping them by then if you haven’t already instilled a proper moral framework.

      I predict that if these new systems were put into place, there would be a sudden and massive upswing in alcoholism, alcohol-related deaths, and teen pregnancy, but that would begin tapering off by year 5, and full benefits would become visible in year 10.

      And just for point of reference, I am 29, don’t drink, have never had a girlfriend let alone sex, didn’t drive until I was 18, and first voted when I was (I believe) 19.




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      1. First, if I haven’t said it before: Thank you for your service!

        Second, I can’t find too much fault in your logic. Here in Oregon, the legal drinking age is 21, but there are two exceptions written into the statute: consuming alcohol at home with parents/guardians present and serving, and consuming alcohol during religious ceremonies. The latter is almost never more than a sip of wine, but the former is pretty wide open, and neither mentions a minimum age (I started taking bread AND wine for Communion around age 8 or so). So if parents want to expose their children to the effects of alcohol, they are legally able to do so up to the point that health and safety are compromised.

        Sexual consent laws are … interesting. The “official” age of consent is 18, but 16- and 17-year-olds are allowed to have sex with each other (but not anyone over 18 or younger than 16). Needless to say, 15 and under are off-limits. Not that that stops too many 16- and 17-year-olds from going after freshmen and sophomores.

        For voting, I also agree: it should be raised back up to 21, and so should military service (a big reason why it was lowered in the first place; if you’re old enough to fight and possibly die for one’s country, you’re old enough to have a vote). I didn’t vote until I was almost 20; my 18th birthday was a month AFTER voting day, so circumstances dictated I wait almost two years. Consequently, I don’t see what the big deal is on that.




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        1. Going to assume “thank-you for your service” was directed at robertsgunshop, since while I’ve had friends in the military, I’ve never served myself.(Asthma. Easy out.)

          Age of consent in Colorado is actually 15 provided everyone is below 25 years old and there are “near age” laws for less than that, so yeah, the laws are weird all over.




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      2. “Let the kids get accustomed to alcohol under their parents’ supervision”.

        I was allowed to drink at home when I was 13. They didn’t care how much I drank as long as I stayed in the house. I’m 59 now and have never even been pulled over for anything alcohol related.

        Now speed……




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    2. I would like to see some proof that 18-20 year olds in the military can’t be trusted with such weapons as grenade launchers and machine guns after the training the military gives them (or in my case the training I received at 18-20, and subsequently the training I now pass on as a certified instructor since the age of 22). Just curious, since you want to make this distinction.




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      1. I think you missed the “irony” in his statement. If they can’t be trusted to handle a hand-gun (and they can be trained for that), then why do we trust them with grenades and machine guns. In other words, since they can be trusted with grenades and machine guns, we should trust them with hand-guns.




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    3. The age of 21 used to have a greater significance than “being an adult”, which was a pretext for lowering the voting age. Common law required that a voter had 7 years experience as an adult before exercising the right to vote. That’s right, the age of 14 was when you became a man!




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  5. Lord….in between my five years of undergrad, fraternity house living college, I did a year in Afghanistan and six months in Korea.

    Kind of aggravating to lead men into battle, call in arty and tac-air, carry an M-4A1/-203, and then come home and be told I’m not responsible enough to carry my .45 on campus.




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  6. And thus one of the nasty little secrets of the wealthy gun control fraternity. It is easier to rail for legislation than to raise one’s own child. By calling for more laws and more control, one can pretend to be a caring, good parent, even while one’s children are left to go to hell in a state of benign neglect.




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  7. It is easier to rail for legislation than to raise one’s own child.

    That’s the salient point right there…but the issue is even broader: In the liberal/statist view, it’s easier to legislate everyone’s behavior than to admit that they can’t control their own, let alone the behavior of their kids.

    Just read the writings of the anti-gun crowd and see how many of them say some variant of “we need to ban guns because I know if I had one, I’d shoot xxxx”

    This is a symptom, not the disease.

    Failing to properly raise their kids is another symptom. It’s not THEIR job to be a responsible adult and parent their children properly, it’s the government’s job to legislate their way to proper behavior (as if that were even possible).

    As far as the rape on campus thing goes…campus “rape” is highly overblown. I’m sure it happens, just like bad things happen everywhere, but nowhere near as often as they would like us to believe. Kids get drunk to the point of no return, things happen, when they sober up, they regret those things…instant “rape”. Or they get so drunk they don’t even realize what’s happening to them. Having an Iphone (or gun) isn’t going to prevent those types of things. Teaching your kids to act in a half-way responsible manner would do a lot more to prevent campus “rape” than any inanimate object.

    By the way…the girl that’s carrying a mattress on her back is a prime example of the overblown campus rape myth. The guy she says “raped” her denies the charges. The charges were investigated by the campus and the guy was exonerated and allowed to remain on campus (which is what her mattress protest is all about…she thinks the guy should have been expelled just because she accused him of rape) and she refuses to file criminal charges against him (probably because she knows he would be acquitted and she’d likely be in danger of being charged with filing false reports). She’s only a symbol of a systemic problem to people who aren’t too interested in minor things like facts and reality.

    You know…like the gun control crowd.




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    1. You said it just like I would have. The mattress-carrying girl leveled an accusation without evidence, expected a “guilty until proven innocent” response from campus officials, didn’t get it, and is carrying around the mattress in “protest” (and as a “senior year project” – she’s getting credit for this “protest”). Dyed-in-the-wool SJW, for life.

      It’s a good thing she’s not a STEM major; can you imagine the Three-Stooges-level hilarity that would ensue if she tried to navigate a chemistry lab with that thing? 😉




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  8. The argument like many have pointed out is a strawman, because these people a typically not of age to be carrying a firearm and are not really the sort of people who would be doing it anyways.

    There is a reason the first semester is the most likely time a woman will be raped in college, that’s when many kids going into college are partying the hardest and being blackout drunk every weekend or more.

    Then there is the fact that its hard to feel like an adult when the first two years of college are basically daycare to help you figure out how to live with 100% independence from you parents and the college still takes up many issues with your parents and not YOU even though you are enrolled there not your parents.

    Having experienced both heavy partying and college in the recent past, I wouldn’t say her daughter has a problem yet seeing as that is more or less the norm going into college but she certainly isn’t doing anything to stay out of a dangerous situation or mitigate it, that is the real problem. The other problem is the mother and her false belief drunk coeds will be playing with guns if responsible people can carry on campus.




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    1. There is a reason the first semester is the most likely time a woman will be raped in college, that’s when many kids going into college are partying the hardest and being blackout drunk every weekend or more.

      I went to college here in the States when I was 22. I was treated like the “old man” because the idea of binging and staying all out nite partying did not attract me. Even though I was a “freshman” and I was supposed to stay at the dorm, I pleaded my case (forcefully) and managed to get an apartment off campus which also allowed me to have a car, another thing prohibited to freshmen.

      So I ended up being popular for being adult, having a car and being able to help my fellow youngins when they got in shit with other people or the cops.




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      1. Don’t get me wrong, not all kids want to party or are interested, it just sounds like that is what is happening in this story and thus my anecdote. The whole thing with “campus rape” and drunken antics in general, is really just another example of play stupid games, with stupid people, in stupid places, and win stupid prizes.

        And that’s pretty much universal right there, if you are lucky enough to have a car as a freshman and live on/near campus, you WILL be popular!

        In my case I and 3 roommates were somehow put into upperclassmen housing so we pretty much had free reign to have parties without much risk of reprisal. But, similar to you, I moved off campus after two years to save money and because I was past the party thing. Above all that, I and was tired of restrictive communal living…. while that never stopped my roommate and I from doing things like reloading shot shells in our dorm room, we figured it was time to cut out the risk all together.




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  9. “I’m a shitty parent. So your child can’t possibly be responsible enough for a firearm” yeah that’s all I got from that nonsense article.




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  10. Obviously your alcoholic daughter learned this behavior somewhere perhaps under your shoddy parenting? Maybe you should worry about her problems instead of writing ignorant, ill informed articles .




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