CSGV: Fantasy vs. Reality.

CSGV Training David Chipman

Except that as far as I could determine,  Agents of the ATF do qualifiers only twice a year and shoot the old Practical Pistol Course, a 60 round course of fire which is the lowest common denominator used by FLETC. One IDPA or IPSC match may have higher round count and all the tactical exercise that PPC does not have.

Mr. Chipman is Senior Vice President of ShotSpotter, (a gun fire locator company used by several police departments in the nation but with actual dubious results and little in the way of solving crimes) and he was also as senior adviser for Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

David Chipman

Being from ATF and MAIG does not make for a very convincing resource…

18 Replies to “CSGV: Fantasy vs. Reality.”

  1. At least they have their locker room cammies on. Does that make them invisible in the mirror, or is that just because they are vampire BATFEebs?

    Actually, it looks like sheriffs in the picture, no?

    That guy should be heavily medicated, forcibly.




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  2. Can I also just point out that defending a classroom is a drastically different set of skills than clearing a building? Fixed target (the doorway), potentially from a resting position (desk), and put that all together at a range of less than 10 yards, and anyone with the most rudimentary of training can pull that off.




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    1. Quite right.

      Even going so far as, “I’m going to poke my head out, check the hallway, and engage if I see anything amiss” (which is what I’d be tempted to do), is a far cry from running toward the sound of gunfire or clearing the building.




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  3. As I pointed out on twitter, this is exactly the same argument used in the 70s against teaching CPR to non medical professionals. But my CPR instructors have all told me you’ve got nothing to lose, without your help the victim is already dead.

    Also, neither Chipman (@davidchipman) nor one of his sycophants responded regarding how many mass murders he has been present for to stop with his superior ninja skills.




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  4. CCW permit holders are not first responders. IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO RUN TOWARDS THE GUNFIRE. That is the difference. We carry to get ourselves OUT of situations we didn’t intend to get ourselves into in the first place. That requires a completely different, and much less refined, set of skills than those needed to deliberately advance on an active shooter.

    By this same idiot logic, because I’m not a trained firefighter, I shouldn’t own a fire extinguisher.




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    1. By this logic, not only shouldn’t you own a fire extinguisher, you’d be a liability and a danger if you did own one, and worse yet if you tried to use it.

      Better to just let the house burn down while waiting for the professionals. :/




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      1. I had a firefighter tell me something like that once. When I told him of my kitchen fire extinguisher placement he said, “they’re pointless to have anyway; I’ve never been to a call where they made a difference.”

        I replied, “maybe when they made a difference you weren’t called.”

        With a thoughtful look on his face he remarked, “hmmm, I hadn’t thought of that.”




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        1. I’ve heard similar crap about fire extinguishers. “You’ll just get burned. Evacuate the house, call 911. It’s safer.”

          So I’m supposed to sacrifice my house and all my world possessions to the bacon grease on my stove?

          I guess the answer is “yes” to the same people who same people who say “just hand your stuff over the the robber” ignoring every time a robber got what he wanted and shot the victim anyway.




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        2. Example of that, my house. Mom had a grease fire and she used the small fire extinguisher we had in the kitchen. She was equally upset about the fire and the powder messing the stove.




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          1. We had a small grease fire one Thanksgiving due to a pinhole in one of those cheap foil pans. The one liter extinguisher saved the kitchen from any damage. Can’t say the same for the turkey.




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  5. FYI, Boston has shotspotter, and when the Mattapan Massacre happend….the 911 calls had police on scene before shotspotter triangulated the event.

    And the killer was aprihended in New Hampshire a week later.




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    1. Really? It seems to me it wouldn’t take too much work (or even too much high-level math) to write up a Java function to figure that out (to within a dozen yards or so, or half-city-block, which I’d say is “close enough”) in a few milliseconds.

      The speed of sound is variable based on atmospheric conditions, of course, but such conditions can be adjusted for, and even without adjustments it doesn’t vary so much that the calculations are useless even at their most extreme uncertainty.

      If the system can’t beat 911 response time, I’d blame one (or more) of three possible bottlenecks: 1) They don’t have enough microphones deployed to get a usable reading (IIRC, it takes at least three within audible range to pinpoint a single event); 2) They’re doing calculations by hand that really should be automated; or 3) Their software sucks.




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      1. I have seen the system in action on the receiving end. Without going into details, it failed accuracy by more than half a mile and police response was above the average we were used to see.
        To this day, it is almost impossible to instantly locate an illegal radio station that transmit for a long period of time, yet they sold the idea that they can track a shot that lasts fractions of a second.




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  6. Chipman has never been on a SWAT team so far as I’ve been able to determine.

    He was an explosives investigator.

    Frankly, a FOIA request for his records while at BATFE would probably be a really good thing to do, since he’s made a career out of flying into states to testify for gun control on the dime of high rolling anti-rights activists.




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