18 Replies to “Somebody got serious: “To abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.. (Draft)”

  1. I’d rather have F-troop than the FBI. Everyone knows that ATF are a bunch of incompetent fools. The FBI is also a bunch of incompetent fools only with better PR.

    Nope, the right way is a repeal of all laws that they enforce not just shifting them elsewhere.

    1. They are a bunch of incompetent dangerous fools. The move to the FBI will weed out a lot of them because the won’t be able to survive the FBI methodology. And you are right on the PR thing which is another reason why the former ATF agents will be sent to early retirement or to investigate illegal cow punching in Wyoming rather than being the joke of the public for making shoes strings an illegal NFA part.

    2. Agreed, I think a good place to start would be with delisting silencers or SBRs. Or maybe getting rid of the “sporting” clause for imports.

      Let’s use the progressive approach against them, nibble away at them piece by piece.

  2. The BATF may have started the idiocy at Ruby Ridge and Waco; but the FBI agents ran up the body counts.

    Lon Horiuchi, the sniper that shot Vicki Weaver, was an FBI agent.
    At Waco, the FBI Agents’ assault ended the siege by killing 76 men, women and children.

    I’d rather have the idiots in F Troop than the murderously efficient FBI.

  3. I think this will very much be a ‘be careful what you wish for’ moment.

    If you think wait times are bad now, wait till responsibilities change hands, thats gonna much everything up royally. Plus then you may have a whole new cadre of people doing approvals which can mean different methods and directives meaning something that would have been approved by the ATF is now not approved by the FBI…

    1. With ATF we are not getting a standard set of rules & regulations. They change crap as they feel like and get away with it because simply they were so small nobody gave a crap. I believe that the FBI will have a tougher time getting away with stuff like that. NFA alone shulod see an increase of speed in issuing the tax stamp since they would be dealing directly with the person and not second hand.
      I am also gambling that we are going to have a different executive come next presidential elections. A XXDOJ shake up & clean up is gonna be long overdue and they will not wanna upset the apple cart by screwing around.
      It will be an improvement, not much but probably ages compared with what we have now.

      1. We need to fix NICS and to narrow the reasons for denial. I think step one should be a automatic removal of all information after 5 years. The idea of a “lifetime” denial and an almost impossible way to get re-instated is not a good idea. We can not continue to force people, currently not a threat, to either be a helpless victim or illegally obtain a fire arm.

    1. Do me a favor, google “Good O’ Boy Roundup Report, Executive Summary March, 1996” and you tell me if this would not have made the news if the FBI had this kind of party exposed.
      IIRC, not one single ATF agent was fired for this.
      ATF agents involve in gun trafficking? Caught one in Chicago selling guns back to the gangs with the help of a Chicago PF detective. Never heard from that case again.
      ATF killing other ATF agents because (allegedly) he was wacked out in drugs) Buried.
      ATF management setting an agent to be killed by bikers? That was just finished in court. Payback on the guy for the ATF managers screwing a 2 year case in which the agent was 2 years undercover and they lost evidence resulting in 90% of the indictments being thrown out and the agent who risked his life got pissed and talked.

      There are more stuff like this and even worse. The FBI is in internal turmoil and that works in our advantage. And too many whistle blowers around…

  4. My only problem is (as I stated on Facebook), we need to ALSO prohibit ATF agents from working in the new “firearms branch” of whatever agencies take over. At least for a pre-defined period of several years (say 3-5).

    Because, otherwise, you’re just chucking bad fish into the hold to contaminate the rest. (Not that all ATF agents, or even most, necessarily, are bad — but too many are, and the corporate culture protects them). Nor can we simply fire and blacklist from government employement everyone who ever cashed an ATF paycheck — civil service rules, political realism, and the fact that there ARE some good people, even in ATF.

    Disperse ATF agents out to NON-firearms billets throughout federal LEA, and the bad cops will get weeded out in rather short order by the receiving agencies, because they will NOT be the norm. Plus, they’ll be “the new kid at school” and less able to rely on the Good Old Boy network to cover bad acts.

    After 3-5 years of this, I suspect that the former ATF agents left in federal law enforcement will be the ones no more incompetent or dirty (on average) than any other agency, AND the replacement “gun branch” will have established their OWN corporate inertia sufficent to overcome any linger “ATF-itis” returning agents might bring. . .

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