To get my pistol permit I had to:
•Take NY safety class
•Take/pass handwritten test
•Pass target class w/ certified instructor
•Get 4 letters written on my behalf to judge
•Write letter to judge on why I wanted permit
•All so I cld prevent this from happening to me again? pic.twitter.com/AYhAXMBGpE— Liz Joy (@LizLemeryJoy) March 24, 2021
I survived brutal life/death assault by man w/ knife & brass knuckles August 2018, when I was a customer in nail salon. I’m a law abiding citizen. I have the God given RIGHT to defend my own life. @JoeBiden @KamalaHarris @RepPaulTonko will not be taking that away from me. Ever.
— Liz Joy (@LizLemeryJoy) March 24, 2021
In Alabama I went to the sheriff’s office, showed my ID, the deputy ran my background check while I waited, paid $50 ($10 per year up to 5 years), and got my permit printed right there in then.
Indiana and South Dakota were about the same.
Nebraska took a weekend for training and a hour at the police station for fingerprints. Florida was about the same. Even Illinois was a weekend and a day, but the class time was the longest (16 hours for IL, 8 for NE, and 4 for FL).
None of these states required written letters to a judge.
Shall issue is a vital right.
May issue just makes people vulnerable.
Imagine if we got constitutional carry nation wide… how liberals would be really afraid…. heres an idea lady- instead of goin thru all that , MOVE outta ny
“May issue” is “Won’t issue.” When I was living in the DC area about 10 years ago there was a case in Maryland where a guy got a carry permit by proving to the satisfaction of the Maryland State Police that he was facing a real threat from a specified person. (Maryland is a “may issue” state.) The person threatening the the permit holder did in fact subsequently attack him with a deadly weapon, and the permit holder shot and killed him; it was ruled justifiable. When it came time for the permit holder to renew, it was denied on the grounds that the threat no longer existed. I guess the Maryland State Police never heard that criminals have friends.
A more notorious case is Hawaii, where the person authorized to issue permits prided himself in having denied 100% of the applications.
For that matter, there was the case of Santa Monica, CA, where the local licensing board issued something on the order of 5 permits over the course of a couple of years. When one of the board members wanted a permit, he drove over to another county to get it since he didn’t want to be one of the very rare ones approved by his own board. Unfortunately for him, Neal Schulman found out and got the story printed in the local papers. 🙂
In NH we now have Constitutional Carry. Before that, the concealed carry permit involved a one page form, a couple of references, a small fee, and no more than 5 business days wait. No fingerprinting, no local variations permitted, no courses required. Open carry and owning a gun didn’t come with any permit requirements, still don’t.
Also, Maryland does not have reciprocity with other states. If I MUST travel through Maryland, I must disarm.
Sucks.
I was living in Decatur, Alabama in the early 90’s when the carry law passed. The first day they were issuing carry permits, the local newspaper was at the courthouse interviewing people.
One woman said she wasn’t there to get her permit, she had brought her uncle down to get his. She added he couldn’t drive himself because he was legally blind.
Keep in mind that ‘legally blind’ is a technical term for someone whose reduced eyesight precludes them from operating a motor vehicle, not someone who outright cannot see period.
I used to work for a guy from Texas who was legally blind, but he often drove himself to and from work anyway. Macular degeneration, I think.
Un-Named Fly Over State: my county was shall issue. Got mine because my monster-in-law, Jabba The Hutt (I apologize to the entire race of Hutt) was *NOT* going to kidnap my children, again.
While I was still alive.
Nor their mother, TDW-Mark I (ne’ The Plaintiff)
In Oregon it’s a 3-4 hour class (depends on the instructor and how quickly the class absorbs the material; ours was a small group and took a hair under three hours), a 2-page form with four references (just names and phone numbers, like for a job) and a photocopy of the certificate saying you passed the class, 15-20 minutes at the Sheriff’s office for fingerprinting and photographing, a nominal fee, one SASE per application, and 6 weeks to process (read: run the background check and make any reference calls) and get the mailed card — statutorily we’re “shall issue” and the SO shall not take longer than 45 days to approve or deny, and may only deny on a failed background check.
I got mine in the mail on day 43. Thank God I wasn’t dealing with an imminent threat! I understand some counties do it faster, but as an Oregon resident I’m required to apply in my county of residence (residents of our bordering states can apply for a non-resident license in any county, but they are “may issue”; Oregon Firearms Federation keeps a list of Sheriffs that are receptive to granting non-resident permits vs. Sheriffs that won’t issue them at all).
But overall the process was pretty painless. Arranging for the class and scheduling the appointment at the SO were the hardest parts.
And of course, owning a gun and carrying it openly is legal without a license across the state, except for a couple cities — Salem included — that mandate unlicensed carry be unloaded, and a couple more — Portland included (this is my shocked face) — that prohibit open carry entirely. We have state pre-emption, but by statute the Legislature allows incorporated cities and towns to regulate, among other things, the lawful carry and discharge of firearms.
NH actually still issues permits in spite of Constitutional Carry, for the benefit of reciprocity. And the state is under orders by law to work to increase the number of states that agree to that reciprocity. Nice.
The law is well crafted. It says that the permit is presumed to have issued if the authorities don’t respond within 5 business days. It makes them liable (personally) for failure to obey the rules. And it explicitly forbids any of them for using non-standard forms or adding anything to it; I think they explicitly call out fingerprinting as something no one is allowed to ask for.
A friend of mine got her permit about 2 years ago. Took about 2 days; it was dropped off at her home by the local Officer Friendly. Small towns are nice.
In NH, the $10 permit fee can only be collected after approval. There is no cost of not approved.
It is the one thing that little towns break. The collect the $10 up front.
It means that when the permit cubes in, nobody has to collect money, the just hand your permit over.
This is about to get worse, our RINOs caved and SB554 is about to pass, increasing permit fees and allowing any government building and its surrounding 1000′ radius to be declared a gun free zone with a major felony if caught.
Had a permit for about 10 years until AK went constitutional carry. Had it mostly for the ncis exemption, but the state dropped that a while back. I rarely go anywhere outside the state because that involves flight (a serious pain in the ass with a firearm) or driving thru Canuckistan ( which is an even bigger pain in the ass).
Are any “may issue” states not corrupt? I’ve heard forever that New Yorkers don’t get a permit unless they grease the right palms (and enough of them). Nobody in NY, NJ, or the others get permits without the bribe.
The Mafia just gets what they want. More so than the petty criminals.