I keep reading some comments about the double murder I posted about yesterday concerning the first killing might be a grey area. IANAL Warning: To me it is not grey at all but deep black legally and it is murder/manslaughter.

Here is the video again.


And now three frames that I deem important.

On frame one, the scissors are present, but shooter is not backing down out of not being afraid or because he is stupid, take you pick.

Frame two shows the victim one, who was initially pulled away by the female, beginning to turn away after the shooter presented the gun.

Frame three shows the first shot after the victim had moved farther away (3 steps) and was not presenting an immediate danger of death or grave bodily harm. 

And that is a murder.

The rest of the shooter’s actions are just aggravating factors that will only help to add decades to his sentence.

And if you are saying “Shit! That is a small window to make a decision!” and you are right, and you better take that in consideration before you allow yourself into any foolish legal fantasy about self-defense. And that is also why we have keep beating in this blog about Avoidance, Deterrence and De-escalation.

Once again.




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By Miguel.GFZ

Semi-retired like Vito Corleone before the heart attack. Consiglieri to J.Kb and AWA. I lived in a Gun Control Paradise: It sucked and got people killed. I do believe that Freedom scares the political elites.

4 thoughts on “The NY Stairwell Double Murder: Yes, it is murder.”
  1. Yeah, they are all murder, or at the bare minimum, need to be charged as murder in some degree.
    There was a threat for a moment with the scissors, but that threat was removed when scissor guy backed away and started walking off.
    Agree totally with the “short time to make a decision” statement… At that moment.
    The shooter had plenty of time to leave. But, stayed around for… well I can only guess ego. Let’s see. There are people who are angry at you 25 feet away, and a flight of stairs leading to the lobby/outside. Tough choice… tough choice.. not. Leave.
    Then again… what is with the duct tape over the door? Kind of looks like someone had kicked it (or tried to). Perhaps the shooter had a valid reason for sticking around… I do not know. Drugs? Multiple visits from angry people? The folks inside stole something and someone wanted it back? Don’t know.
    However, the choice to escalate the situation was entirely in the shooter’s corner. Even if that woman was his sister, or one of the kids was his, or whatever reason, leave, do not stand around for ages waiting for the people in the apartment to get dressed and come out in force.
    Murder, the question is to what degree.

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