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CSGV is recruiting… sort of.

The Coalition to Stop Gun Rights Violence is asking their Facebook members to drum up support for their page. They want to reach 5,000 likes…which they would have if they stop banning people that post a dissenting thought.

In the meantime, back at Insurrectionist HQ also known as the NRA:

I read somewhere that if NRA members were as violent as CSGV and the rest portray us, there wouldn’t be any of them left.

Self Defense claim: it is not as sure as you would want it to be.

Two stabbing cases with similarities end up with different results. In both there is a disparity of force between the attacker and the victim, in both the victim used a knife as defensive weapon, the attacker or attackers had no weapons other than fists and in both the attacker ended up dead.

Case One is Female Teen attacked by her father.

Garza was visiting his ex-wife and some of his nine children when he got into an argument with his daughter. He physically grabbed her, struck her, bruised her and further assaulted her. During the assault the teen grabbed a kitchen knife and stabbed her father in the chest.

Result: No charges filed. Death ruled a justifiable homicide.
Case Two was an Adult Male who was being beaten by several people and killed the initiator of the confrontation.

According to testimony at his first trial, Penley attacked Wray, 21, of Walton Street, after Wray punched him in retaliation for Penley striking his girlfriend. Others at the party at Sand Hill Apartments also hit Penley, witnesses testified.

Result: Accusation of Second Degree Murder, first trial ends up in Hang Jury. D.A. to file charges again for a second trial.

Granted, we do not have all the details in both cases and just running with what the media is telling you is not the best or most accurate way to go, but we can gleam a lot form what little is presented.

People can and do die by fists & kicks. The FBI cataloged 742 murders by “Personal Weapons” (hands, fist, etc.) in 2010. Amazingly, murder by blunt objects such as bats and hammers were lower than murders by hands and fists. There were 183,457 Aggravated Assaults by Personal Weapons in 2010 versus 127,509 using guns. This is important because in most localities, a person can use deadly force to defend him/herself against Aggravated Assault.

A person is guilty of aggravated assault if he or she attempts to cause serious bodily injury to another or causes such injury purposely, knowingly, or recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life; or attempts to cause or purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon.
West’s Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008

So we go back to the beginning. We have two very similar cases wit totally disparate results. Both had disparity of force yet the prosecutors saw them differently:

“Antonio Wray didn’t need to die,” Assistant District Attorney Thomas Amburgey told the jury. “When someone punches you, it doesn’t give you the right to stab and kill them.”

One prosecutor decided that being punched by a crowd does not warrant of self-defense and your life as you knew it is pretty much over. The other saw more than enough cause for self-defense when an adult male struck a teen female and no charges filed. We can go and guess why the decissions were made, but the lesson here is that there is no “sure thing” in self-defense. We are at the mercy of people that might or might not have the best of intentions.

Conclusion: Although the law states that one may use Deadly Force if there is a reasonable fear of Death or Grave Bodily Harm, what you may consider reasonable might not be the same to a D.A. or to a Jury.

This is a quote from a D.A. in a different case during closing arguments at a murder case. Again, it was a crowd versus a single individual and the individual shot and killed an attacker:

He asked the jurors if a reasonable person – such as Oprah Winfrey or one of Tom Hanks’ movie characters – would have shot someone under the same circumstances.

And the defendant was found guilty.

I am sure you heard the cocky expression “I rather be judge by 12 than carried by 6.” Well, twelve people apparently bought the above line or the evidence was overwhelming against the defendant. Either way, for a prosecutor to use that line in closing arguments is just amazing. And that is why I believe in applying the triad of Avoidance, De-escalation and Deterrence as much as possible. And be ready for what might happen to you after the attack is over. You just never know.

Smoke & Thunder Payback: You are doing it wrong.

It is official! I have my own Life size cardboard cutout at Smoke & Blunder courtesy of Smoke & Blunder’s Webmaster/Admin/Petulant Child.

God, it is hilarious. Do S&B actually thinks they are creating a professional image for their “business” that will make them respectable and earn them a billion bucks?

Dear S&B: please keep that profile for as long as you want. It is hurting you, not me.

Other recipients of S&B’s “payback”
Breda:
Barron Barnet:
Say Uncle:
I am sure more are to come. Hell, Linoge must be pissed he does not have his fake profile up yet.

All of youse belongs to me?

There is a new “gun social place” called Smoke & Thunder (dot come!) which is not starting right. I mean, it is not even a left foot beginning but more like dragging ass over everything.

These cats are weird. They want the big names to be a part of their network so they create profiles for them without asking for authorization to do so. We are not talking blocking a name so only the person or company with the right to use it can access it, but creating an account & profile. And since they do not make a distinction between which is “reserved” and which one is just the person or company, it leads the less than attentive to believe major names are behind the new “gun social place.”

The above are some of the names I found inside. I know that Uncle has not registered, Caleb was commenting about this puppetry over Uncle’s and Tango was being reached via Twitter by Barron. I’ll refrain to comment on the rest but kinda doubt it. By the way, if you are gonna collect the best gun bloggers around, it is kind of stupid that in your blog you come down nasty on blogs.

The obvious question is: Who is behind this puppetization of bloggers’ socks? And why?

UPDATE: Changes suddenly occurring at the Thunderous Blunder. Oleg is now an innactive dummy…account. Who shall be next?

Tango said that he registered himself. His opinion is that “They’re bottom feeders. Trying to consolidate the hard work of others.” And IMHO there is a lot of truth ringing there.

Barron Barnett: “Nothing quite like violating the #dontbeadick rule.” 🙂

UPDATE 2: We can do what we want! It is legal! That appears to be Smoke & Thunder response to complaints about their Third Party Sock Puppetry. And just like Kelo versus New London, it can be both legal and totally douchebaggery.

I just confirmed via Facebook that Breda’s profile was Third Party Sock Puppetry. She complained to them some days ago and this was their attitude.