I have said this before, and I will say it again because bears repeating.
Human beings are a gregarious species. We live our lives interacting with each other in communities.
We generally want those interactions to be peaceful. Part of what makes a community or nation or civilization sustainable peaceful are social norms expected codes of personal conduct.
Through history, religion has served as the basis for establishing rules and norms, with ritual being used to reinforce them and pass them down to the next generation.
Even without religion norms and codes of conduct exist and need to exist.
When everybody adheres to the norms, societies function quite well.
Some progress is needed in society. I will agree that sometimes the rules and norms are stifling and they need to be relaxed a little bit.
A. Little. Bit.
However, when people stray too far out of the norms, or the norms are done away with altogether, bad things happen. That social cohesion that comes from everybody knowing what the rules are and following them falls apart.
Most people don’t like to live in the uneasy conditions of a dis-cohesive society. Eventually, the normals will force the rules back into play.
This is the cycle of history. Societies become more liberalized until they pop and the pendulum swings back in a reformation. If the religious wars of Europe show us anything, these reformations can be very bloody.
Enter Huffpost Canada.
Are Pride Parades Kid-Friendly? Parents Say Children Can Handle The Kink
Excuse me?
Who in the fuck wrote the words “Children Can Handle The Kink” and thought it was a good idea.
I can feel the glue of civil society starting to dissolve when I read them.
Each year, in the blazing sun of the Pride parade in Nelson, B.C., Pega Ren and her two young grandkids seek shade under their spinning rainbow parasols.
Ren, a semi-retired sex therapist, told HuffPost Canada the parasols were a magical find, and have come to symbolize the importance of this event for her family. Ren spoke joyfully of going to the dollar store, picking up all the rainbow ribbons and flags, decorating the roller skates and the stroller, and getting the costumes ready.
“I can’t imagine a safer place for families to bring children,” she said of Pride.
A resounding chorus of voices — from within the queer community and not — would agree with this general sentiment about Pride parades and kids. But in late May, one tweet turned it into a bigger conversation.
Call me a bigot, but this is not something I want my children to see on a city street. We don’t need to have a bigger conversation about why it’s inappropriate to flash your asshole in bondage gear in public.
https://twitter.com/IndyaMoore/status/1137790366609006593
The post asked parade participants not to “sexualize” Pride and to leave their fetish and kink at home, for the sake of minors.
Anyone who has been to a parade has likely seen the procession of leather animal costumes, kinky costumes in every hue, and more skin than is normally exposed in public.
Although the post and account have since been deleted, the tweet got many people talking: How child-appropriate are Pride festivities? And why does this discussion hit a nerve for the LGBTQ+ community?
“At some level this has always been part of a much larger debate of what Pride is,” David Rayside, a retired politics and sexual diversity professor at the University of Toronto, told HuffPost Canada.
“Pride has always had a kind of outrageous edge to it. And should we alter that? It is not the Santa Claus parade, and it never was. It shouldn’t be. It can’t be.”
You know what I want to see in a Pride Parade?
A bunch of men in suits or shirts and slacks, calmly and quietly walking, waving at the crowd.
Why? Because that’s how normal people behave.
Showing your asshole in a leather thong to children is not normal.
That said, Rayside added, not only is it important for parents to bring their kids, but “I’ve seen thousands of kids at Pride, and I’ve never seen anyone fuss about what they see there.”
In fact, many parents would fuss at the thought of not bringing kids to these events.
Bad parents.
“There is absolutely no reason not to take our kids to Pride — it’s a fun day, there are a lot of bubbles, rainbow streamers and enjoyable performances,” writer, educator, and publisher S. Bear Bergman told HuffPost Canada.
Plus, as queer parents, it’s one of their cultural festivals, added Bergman, who who attends Toronto Pride every year with his kids.
“It’s their right as queer spawn. And as a parent, I might want to take my kids to Pride, because they might be lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer or two-spirit.”
This right here is a problem. You are telling me that being gay and gay culture is inseparable from libertine fetishism. For straight people to accept gay people that means that straight people have to accept grotesque displays of overt sexuality in front of children. That is not going to happen.
The innocence of children has been a Juedo-Christan cultural norm for thousands of years. This is not one to me chipped away at lightly.
Politics have a prominent place in Pride, Rayside said, but “it is also about outrage,” a time when some in the community express this “in ways that confront normal sensibilities.”
This is treading on very thin ice.
The freedom to do so is embedded within LGBTQ+ culture and history. These expressions are the most colourful during the parade.
Bergman defended these elements and their right to exist at a kid-friendly event.
“First of all, nobody likes nakedness more than children,” Bergman said.
I’ll take “things pedophiles say for 900, Alex.”
“On the list of things that I don’t want my children ever to be exposed to are: Compulsory heterosexuality, demonstrations of sexism, demonstrations of racism, demonstrations of ablism, violence. These are all way higher on the list than some homosexual’s tuchus.”
This is suuuuuuper woke. It’s also a false dichotomy.
Putting on her sex therapist hat, Ren emphasized that Pride, from kink to nakedness, is an excellent opportunity for parents to do unbiased sex education.
“Look at that queer’s asshole on a parade float” is not “unbiased sex education.”
Bergman also pointed out that many children don’t even interpret most of what they’re seeing in a Pride parade as sexual, but rather as dress-up or fun.
I’ll take “things pedophiles say for 1000, Alex.”
This Bergman guy needs to understand that he sounds like a child molester trying to groom a victim.
“Children benefit from seeing people loving one another, from seeing diversity and inclusion. Children suffer from seeing violence and fear, hatred and divisiveness,” Ren said.
But love and kink are not the same thing. My wife and I can show each other affection in front of our children without either of them seeing my asshole.
I don’t know what kind of sex therapy sex education Ren here has, but exposing children to sex at an early age harms them.
Victims of child molestation suffer deep emotional damage are frequently scarred for life. They often have issues as adults with emotional connectedness and physical intimacy because the way many molesters (especially familial molesters) tell children that the sexual abuse is a sign of love.
“Two men flashing their assholes at gawking crowds is just how they show love” is not something anybody with experience in dealing with the victims of childhood sexual abuse would say.
I honestly don’t care what two consenting adults do in private.
Overt and kinky sexualization in public in front of children falls outside the cultural norms of civil society.
Saying “you’re a homophobic bigot if you don’t let me engage in my sexual fetish in public in front of children, that’s my gay culture” stretches the fabric of society to its breaking point.
I can guarantee that there are more parents who want to preserve the innocence of their children than there are gay people.
Knowing the cycle of history, it is best to let society progress slowly.
You’re here, you’re queer, we got used to it.
You’re here, you’re queer, and you want to act like perverts around our kids? No.
Normal gays, you need to get the radical gays in line because – and I’ve said this before on a wide range of topics – the pushback will suck.
“Theres nothing kids like more than nakedness” UNLESS you open a clothing optional resort fenced with an 8 foot fence …” the Christians “ come out in droves to protest THAT. This gay pride crap is all part of the lefts normalization of bad behavior and criminalizing normal behaviors. Sad.
“You’re here, you’re queer, we got used to it.”
It seems to me, that there are people who have bound their identity to generating outrage or shock in others. Having had society “get used to it” at one level, they will be driven more and more extreme to get the outrage / attention.
The specific instance is LGBTQ as in the post, but I’ve seen similar behavior back in high school, for instance, and among motorcyclists.
Regardless of the manifestation, my observation is that it ultimately often doesn’t end well for them because enough is never enough.
A good metric to general behavior is the reaction of others in a time of tragedy. Good example here is the pulse nightclub. Heard about it and didn’t really care. After the sh*Tshow fallout where everyone innocent was blamed for the shooter, disdain.
Sexualizing children… disdain is too soft a word. They are their own worst enemy.
I read this. Paul Joseph Watson had a similar video to this. I think the problem is they don’t seem to comprehend the “pendulum” or are aware of it and want to ‘break’ it. These are people that view everyone not like them as all kinds of ‘ist’s’ and ‘obe’s’. They WANT the complete breakdown of the social norms or even a civil society. They envision a society where they are in charge and ‘normal’ people are ignored. But these are also leftists that think everyone not like them should be oppressed because we hurt there feelings.
These are people that deep down (not really) want EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON not like them dead, marginalized, re-educated, etc. 10% of the United States population, hard leftist want the other 90% dead. I keep saying: they want to literally exterminate every single person not like them. And if that’s 290 million people that’s fine by them. Why do you think they want total control the government? So they can use the car meet you in the end kill every single person that doesn’t support them. What do you think the joke about walking other 90% dead. I keep saying: they want to literally exterminate every single person that doesn’t think like them. If that’s 290 million people that’s fine by them. Why do you think they want to control the government? In the end kill every single person that doesn’t support. What do you think they joke about killing us and nuking us? Because deep down they know that’s the only way they’re going to get what they want. And they have no concept of unintended consequences.
Lots of thoughts here… First of all, I agree wholeheartedly and completely. If “alternative” people actually want acceptance, they need to reign in the crazies.
However, I can understand why and how things like this become a “norm” for those on the fringe. Not condoning it, just trying to understand. The logic goes something like this.
1. Gay, trans, or LBGTQWERTYWHATEVERISM is inherently sexual. It is a decision, conscience or otherwise that you sexually and emotionally desire something other than the opposite sex.
2. So, being inherently sexual, you celebrate it sexually.
3. And, celebrations sometimes get out of hand.
Is this really any different than bikers getting tattoos with their favorite bike brand’s logo, and wearing all their favorite brand’s gear, and knocking others that do not agree that their favorite motorcycle brand is the best? Try riding a crotch rocket into a harley bar parking lot sometime. Yeah, they will be nice to you, but…
Are Glock/Kimber/HK fanbois any different?
When your favorite team wins the championship, everyone thinks it is perfectly normal for you to adorn your car with their logos for weeks afterward.
The issue here is the inherent sexuality of the item being celebrated.
Secondly, the issue of kids seeing the parade. I would not be opposed to that in theory, IF the overt sexual perversion inherent to the display was not there. jkb is 100% correct, you can have pride in your lifestyle without displaying your private parts to children. And, no children are not OK with nudity like this. Is being naked a natural thing, is western civilization too wrapped up in covering up? Maybe, maybe not. But, I know that any child over the age of 5 understands the difference between being a nudist/naturalist, and making a deliberate display of your genitals in a sexual manner.
Finally, the intent of these Pride days, parades, and other events is not to get equality, it is to destroy the norm. It is to override the conventional.family, sexual dynamic and replace it. As I have noted in previous posts, the average “progressive” see the establishment as “imperfect” because it does not value exactly the same things they do at the same level of importance.
Therefore, it must be destroyed.