I live with a person that was very left of me. She has slowly come over to the right side, we have cookies. There are still subjects that we strongly disagree about but they are fewer and very different than when we first got together.
I often find myself at the breakfast table speaking about something that has me upset and I ask “What are you seeing in your feeds?”
Her feds are very different from mine. There have been times when my feed is full of a story. Often being presented from a leftist point of view. I’ll ask her “What are you seeing in your feds about story?” At which point she’ll tell me that she’s not even heard the story. I’ll send her links. Or she’ll give me links to something that came across her feds that isn’t showing at all in mine.
She is a great resource.
And yes, I did pick her category.
-AWA
From Behind Enemy Lines
I want you to understand that I did not pick the title. It rankles, and it bothers me, because I don’t see myself as an enemy. I should be an ally, but I often feel I’m not let in, so it doesn’t happen.
I am here to present different sides to your stories and narratives. Though I am definitely left of the people I live with and love, I am very right of most of my friends. Because of this, I’m everyone’s enemy, apparently.
One of the worst things we can do, as human beings, is get caught up in our own thought processes. When all you hear is an echo of your own ideologies and topics, you become unbalanced. You lose perspective. You lose your ability to connect as well with your fellow man. Too many people today are unable and unwilling to see what The Other Side has to say on any issue. They’ll read the 120 characters allotted to the Twitterverse, and then apply that to “everyone on The Other Side”.
The first topic I want to touch on is the idea that someone is out to get you. I know that people on the Left tell me all the time how horrid and aggressive people on the Right are. The Left truly, deeply believes that the Right wants to hurt them. The Left are firmly convinced that the Right actively seeks out ways to damage liberty, freedom, and the Left, not necessarily in that order.
The Right doesn’t seem to harbor that belief to the same level that the Left does. Of the Right leaning people I connect with, none are interested in harming anyone, or causing problems. All they want is to be left alone, to live life however they see fit. The Right camp that hits my media stream seems to be slightly more aggressive in their communications. I hear about how awful the Left is on a regular basis, a lot of whining, a lot of complaining about how they’re tired of being “the bigger person”. What I don’t see, outside of extremists of the Right, are people who want to take away freedom or liberty from the Left.
I hear from a lot of people that the Left are people of feelings and emotions, and the Right are people of logic and facts. It’s my opinion that both of those positions apply to both sides. You just have different things on which you’re emotional and logical.
For instance, when it comes to Second Amendment confrontations, the Right is highly logical. There’s no emotion in it. I have watched countless people on the Right hold up the Second Amendment, and pull it apart in a very rational way. What’s the right being discussed? The right to keep and bear arms. And who is that right recognized for? The people, it says so right there: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms…” And what’s the action applied to that right? “…shall not be infringed.” All very neat and methodical. And correct!
For the Left, it’s a matter of fear. “But what if someone gets hurt?” It’s all about emotions. The Left, as a body, often express disdain for the Second Amendment, but will not organize enough to try and logic their way through removing it. After all, they can do so by working the problem the way the Founding Fathers set it up for them to do.
When it comes to other issues, though, the Right’s feelings and emotions begin to come to the forefront. Abortion is the hottest topic I can think of, for the Right at the moment, with immigration coming a close second. That logic and rationality seems to go right out the door the moment either topic comes up.
Without getting into the details of either of the aforementioned topics (let’s leave those for another day), let’s look at whether or not someone is “out to get you.” The first question to ask yourself is, are you personally being attacked? Is there someone telling you, the personal, singular you, that you are a bad person? Is that attack, if you so perceive it to be, a danger to yourself or others close to you?
Please note, when I say attacked, I’m not meaning verbally. It might hurt when people throw words at you, but it’s not damaging. I understand that there may be legal wrangling in there that could put it over the line into the ‘damaging’ category, but that’s not the norm, and I’m avoiding the extremes here.
And there it is. I’m avoiding the extremes. Why? Because it doesn’t do any good. Because extremes aren’t where we, the vast majority of people on all sides, live. Most people on the Right are not interested in taking away your right to bodily autonomy, birth control, or adults making decisions about their own bodies. Most people on the Left are not interested in burning down courthouses, forcing gender transition on anyone, or indoctrinating little kids.
Friend on the Left says, “Those damn Republicans are trying to take away my bodily autonomy again! They want me to die in a pool of my own blood! The whole lot of them just want women to be hosts for fetuses and nothing else!”
Friend on the Right responds, “Hey, I’m all for birth control, age appropriate sexual education, and everyone being as healthy as they can be. I don’t want women to have to be pregnant if they don’t want to be.”
Left returns with, “Then why are you hanging out with those people who forced a 12 year old girl to carry a child to term, damaging her internal organs?”
But it isn’t just the Left, you know.
Friend on the Right says, “Stupid leftists want little kids to be taking birth control, and everyone to be subverted to become trans!”
Friend on the Left responds, “Not at all. I’d like to see birth control available for those who are sexually active, and I’d like to come up with a way for teens who are not in safe families to get access to that birth control without telling parents who could hurt them. And I don’t want to force anyone to be trans, I just want people to be accepted if they are trans.”
Right returns with, “Then why are you advocating for drag queens in libraries, and having teachers making kids talk about sexual stuff?”
I think that most of what actually goes on tends to get lost in the fracas that happens among the extreme ends of the political spectrum. We’re all so busy looking at the left hand that we don’t see what the right is doing (and that has nothing to do with political sides). It’s really hard to see the actual facts, when every “news” outlet appears to be regurgitating the same thing, word for word. Add to that, common sense doesn’t sell news; drama does. It’s important to keep that in mind whenever you’re looking at what purports to be news today.
Just as an example, I am a person who would love to see marijuana legalized in my state. I believe that everyone has the right (and responsibility, though that’s a whole other article) to own and use a firearm, and that our Constitution guarantees that right. I think our healthcare system is broken in a lot of ways, starting with the insurance companies, but that the care offered is still so much better than every other first world country that it’s unreal. I’d like to see women and men offered reasonably priced birth control that is effective and not harmful to them, without any strings or emotional manipulation attached.
I’d like to see women have access to abortion up to the 12 week mark, no questions asked, and an admission that after that point, a fetus is no longer “just a clump of cells” and is much more akin to a baby than a virus. I’d like to see people stop caring about sexual orientation, gender, and expression, while doing educated medical study on the process of gender transition and what it does to a person’s body, brain, and personality, and how to best implement it, and who it’s best implemented on.
I’d like to see the word “organic” mean something again outside of a government patent. I’d love to see sustainable energy models be more used, but in a reasonable and scalable way as we discover the ins and outs of them. I’d love to see paperwork on the environmental impact of each and every sustainable energy model, to see what the pros and cons of each are.
I’d like to see the Federal minimum wage dropped. After all, if the cost of living in one part of the worldcountry is 65% higher than anywhere else, either we doom certain people to poverty or we are forcing companies to pay more than they can. I’d like to see unions become positive, employee led institutions again that are there to help out the people, not the union. I’d love to have businesses learn from one another to discover models that allow for higher pay and better benefits for employees without messing with the company’s profit margin (Costco comes to mind).
Some of the things I’ve mentioned above are very “left leaning” ideas, and others are quite “right leaning”. I’m guessing that none of them are disgusting in the eyes of most readers. The fear is not the reasonable idea, but what else might happen because of a badly worded idea.
I hear talk about “the pendulum”, and it worries me. The Right acknowledges the pendulum exists, and point to it as reason to want to ban abortions entirely, restrict or ban birth control methods, and take away the rights of those who aren’t interested in “one man, one woman” marriages. The Left doesn’t even seem aware of the existence of the pendulum, but just keeps pushing it more in retaliation.
At this rate, we’ll be at one another’s throats in no time.
I don’t think it’s because we are all that different from one another. I think it’s because we’re being told we’re different, scary, wrong, sinful, or pick another negative word you’d like to use. I think it’s because we’re being manipulated, sometimes nastily and sometimes subtly.
I think we all want to get to a similar end point. The goal is a world where people can live in peace, not have to worry about their kids at night, and have enough money even if they aren’t rich. The problem is we have different ideas about how to get to that end point. The media knows that, and pushes all the buttons to make people react.
So don’t see me as your enemy. Or do. That’s up to you. I’m not interested in fighting you, though. I just want to live my own life, in peace and quiet, and know that my neighborhood is safe and my kids can play and date and learn to drive without concern.
I’ll try and give an outsider’s perspective on events and goings on, as they happen. I’ll attempt to answer questions as fully as I can, when I can. But I’m not here to argue. I’m not here to change your mind. I’m here to overturn your echo chamber.
Heuristic Hagar
Hi, Hagar.
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Basically, it sounds to me as though you are what used to be known as a centrist. As it so happens, so am (or perhaps was) I.
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Reducing a collection of philosophies and opinions on wildly different topics to a binary, all-or-nothing choice is problematic (as well as reminiscent of a certain Babylon 5 episode) but here we are, taking flak from both sides … except that I seem to get a lot more of it from those who identify as being on the Left, politically, than from those on the Right. While both L and R have extremists, I also see the Left moving towards more and more progressive stances, on average, than the Righties are doing. What happens to a centrist when we keep our feet planted but one side starts pulling further away from what used to be center?
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I don’t see you as my enemy. But I am wary of any group that acts to limit freedom of expression, or other rights such as, yes, the right to bear arms, but also the right to things like the right to a speedy trial and to face one’s accusers, to be secure against takings prior to trial, et cetera. Neither the Right nor the Left are guiltless when it comes to pushing for various infringements; but I see, these days, a whole lot more of them coming from one side of the political aisle than the other. So, what logical or emotional conclusions should I draw from this?
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I don’t wish to be at odds with others; but the decision is only partly up to me, if I am unwilling to compromise my core beliefs. I can coexist with those who will agree to respect my rights and choices even if they disagree, just as I might disagree with theirs. However, that is apparently not an option for many people these days.
Hagar, what you say is honorable and straightforward. I fight for people such as yourself; people who endeavor to peacefully oppose those who holder different viewpoints on the issues of life in the USA. Personally, I am a conservative using the strictest definition of the word. And I believe that the time for living in peace with the political and ideological opposition is growing shorter by the day. I believe that only one of the political and ideological sides want to ‘cancel out’ the other side—the cancelling out effort is mainly energized by one side. One side says, please live and let live, no one should be cancelled out, the other side says because you take that stand, it justifies cancelling you out. Either you except being cancelled or we’ll force it on you, against your will, or convert to our ideology.
Now, not all of the opposition take this extreme position, but their numbers are growing quickly and gaining political power while conservatives back-up in order to break contact, thereby offering peace. This enrages the political leftist. Silence is Violence, they assert. Not taking their side is reason for them to escalate their attacks. It’s justice as they define Justice. I am not just because I don’t agree with them. They claim I am the extremist and that I don’t want peace because I don’t agree with them. I answer, you live in your world, and I will live in mine…OK. Their answer is always a resounding NO.
I believe the follow scenario reveals a truth: If a fifty-foot wall was constructed through the middle of the USA, north to south, and Liberals were given one side and Conservatives the other side to live their lives amongst their own kind…there would be only one side which would not be content to remain on their side and would be climbing over the wall to see what the other side was doing. There is no riding the…. wall anymore. “Live and Let Live” is almost a non-option. Just ask a leftist. The time where everyone will be forced to take a side is not far into the future.
Interesting topic… distance from the “other side” I find is the only sane defense. Most on the left around here at least, are not willing to have a rational discussion… very one sided and closed minded. I don’t try to convince any of them to come over to the “dark side”. It is time wasted. Once in awhile one will have an experience that opens the mind and brings them into reality. Life lessons are the best teacher.
A little TLDR, but I skimmed over it enough to want to read it in full when I have the chance.
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One point being made is that both sides of the political aisle want the same thing. They want to make the world a better place. (As a general rule.) The big difference is HOW they want to go about making the world a better place.
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Keep the perspective from the other side of the political aisle coming. Despite what some on the left want to say about conservatives, we do want to know what you think, and why.
Interested and willing to hear what you have to say thank you for your contribution. I know what its like to feel socially or poltically homeless and it can weigh on ya over time.
Anymore I can not help but catagorize people into threat and non-threat and react or treat them based on that catagorization. This is not based on twitter or news segments but my direct intereaction with them. Dry ice bombs thrown at me/my group. Knife threats. Organized attempts at doxxing to target us at home and at work.
They were carefully watched and protected by the police and invited to speak by city leaders. People at work wearing the same symbols as the group who were doing these actions with full blessing of leadership.
Thats a hard line for me of both the persons and the people in positions of power. I am not in an echo chamber I am actively under threat.
Yet still to try and keep a clear concious for when I go to meet my maker I try to treat a person as an individual. I’ll be wary and guarded if I see a rose on a lapel but there are still steps before that person is relegated to a threat catagory.
I’ll agree with you that the media and the powers that be that control it do everything they can to magnify differences to stoke division to stop us from having any meaningful conversations and finding solutions we can both agree on. We’ve been conditioned to triablize ourselves over the most trivial things and that we MUST hold an opinion to further this divide instead of focusing on ways to leave the world better than we found it.
Are you me?
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I advocate and say many of the same things. It all gets lost in the “shuffle” as I say. I’m neither a democrat, or republican. I want is maximum personal freedom and autonomy. As long as everyone is a consenting and informed adult, and you are taking precautions to not involve those who aren’t, I don’t care.
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I also agree most people want substantially similar outcomes but disagree on the finer points of getting there. The other unfortunate point is not everyone engages in good faith.
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In my estimation, much misunderstanding comes from not actually understanding the other point of view. You may understand the words but you won’t grok it without being able to escape your own perspective and understanding where the other person is coming from and their core beliefs, motivations, and philosophies that are driving them. Maybe you don’t need all that for a debate about if a hotdog is a sandwich or not, but for the big things you do. And I do not mean this in the current interpretation of intersectionality way.
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Information moves too quickly and with such volume these days it just makes it all the easier to manipulate subtly or nastily. Too much condensation and too little exposition and exploration. It overloads us and dulls our senses and creates a miasma with which to wade through to find even the most insignificant but actually meaningful nugget of information; and helps make us think of others as groups or blocks instead of as individuals.
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I would also say 20 years ago it was the right that sought to restrict more and now it is the left.
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Regarding everyone is out to get you. Everyone feels that to some extent about different things. The biggest ah ha moment to me was when I realized saying “the damn gubbermint wants to ban guns with this new law, that is the only eventual outcome!” is exactly the same thing and coming from the same place as when a black person says “the man is out to get me” or “yea its because I’m black” etc.