Vox is a Leftist new site which is written by people so stupid that they thought Bonnie and Clyde were fictional people.
They are the Captain Peter Peachfuzz of political analysis. If they think something is good, don’t do it, if they think something is bad, go with it 100%.
Vox published an article on Wednesday:
“A terrible idea”: Experts blast Trump’s plan to label Mexican drug cartels “terrorists”
Absolutely, let’s do it then.
President Donald Trump may be on the verge of opening a whole new front in America’s war on terror that would hit much closer to home: Mexico.
You mean that cartels butchering Americans, shooting people, cutting off heads and lighting people on fire, all funded with drug money, displacing the legitimate government of a nation and becoming the de facto ruling force in areas of the country by way of terror, making them not that much difference from Al Qaeda means that we shouldn’t consider them terrorist organizations?
In a Tuesday interview with conservative radio host Bill O’Reilly, Trump said his administration will soon give Mexican drug cartels the same distinction as al-Qaeda, ISIS, and Boko Haram: designating them as “foreign terrorist organizations.”
If the shoe fits…
That label would make it illegal for anyone in the US to knowingly provide support to the drug cartels. It would also allow the US government to sanction anyone who funds them, deport their members from America, and bar any affiliate from entering the US.
Good.
Better: people associated with the cartels get deported at 15,000 feet without a parachute.
“I will be designating the cartels,” the president told O’Reilly. “We are losing 100,000 people a year to what is happening and what is coming through from Mexico,” he continued without citing where he got that statistic, adding, “they have unlimited money, the people, the cartels, because they have a lot of money, because it is drug money and human trafficking money.”
It’s therefore that possible Trump’s move could see US drug dealers labeled and treated as terrorist supporters. What most worries critics about Trump’s comments, though, is that the designation opens up the possibility that Trump could authorize US military force against the cartels without Mexico’s permission.
We need to do it. It’s not the first time the US has had to use the Army to shoot Mexican outlaws that have come across the border to cause havoc in the US.
“It’s a terrible idea in part because it will reduce Mexican cooperation as many in Mexico fear it’s a first step toward some kind of military intervention, which Trump keeps mentioning when he talks to Mexican presidents,” Roberta Jacobson, the US ambassador to Mexico from June 2016 to May 2018, told me.
The Mexican government cooperates with us? When did that happen?
The Mexican government that takes money from the cartels is fighting the cartels?
This is the same Mexican government that encourages its poor to enter the US illegally so it doesn’t have to spend money on education, welfare programs, rural infrastructure, or anything other than lining the pockets of government officials and their cronies.
The Mexican government sees the US as its trashcan where it can throw away the bottom of their economic classes.
I really don’t care what those corrupt fuckers think about us.
Trump is obsessed with fighting drug cartels
Trump has long focused on Mexico, making his plan to build a border wall to keep drug smugglers and undocumented immigrants out of the US a pillar of his presidency.
“Trump wants to stop the flow of sex slaves, exploited children, and lethal narcotics which caused the deaths of 70,000 Americans last year into this country, and that makes him a bad Orange Man.”
What a fucking sentiment that is.
But his renewed focus on the cartels came after six children and three mothers — all Mormon US-Mexico dual citizens — were killed by gunmen on November 5. That same day, Trump tweeted it was “time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth.”
“Yeah, six Americans were murdered, including children, but fuck ’em because they were Mormons. But if that was a school shooting, we’d demand every gun in America be confiscated and every NRA member get put to death.”
The problem, though, is that Mexico’s government strongly opposes any unauthorized American military intervention.
So the fuck what? The Afghani leaders who were on the payroll of the Taliban were also opposed to US military intervention.
“There is no political will in Mexico to invite US troops in. It is both an issue of nationalistic pride and an understanding in Mexico that what fuels drug cartels are weapons sold to them in the United States and drugs consumed by Americans,” Jana Nelson, a Mexico expert at the Wilson Center think tank in Washington, DC, told me. “From the Mexican perspective, the root cause of violence is on the other side of the border.”
I do not care about the nationalistic pride of a corrupt narco-state.
I saw the video of the cartel gunmen attacking police after the arrest of El Chapo’s son. What US gun store sold them the M2 50 cal mounted into pickup trucks? Or sold the fully automatic rifles?
The weapons that the Mexican cartels have that come from the US come out of Mexican military arsenals by way of corrupt Military officers.
Trump’s comments, then, have clearly increased tensions between the two neighbors by touching on a very sensitive subject in Mexico — one that could lead to a fight over whether the US may soon engage in another war.
Mexico’s lack of security cost the lives of the majority of the 70,000 US citizens that OD’ed last year. The overdoses are not coming from US pharmacies. The overdoses are coming from addicted Americans buying pharmaceuticals made in China and smuggled in, primarily through Mexico.
They’ve waged a war of negligence on us.
AMLO still faces pressure to do something about the drug cartel problem in his nation. Last month, Mexican authorities severely botched an operation to arrest notorious Sinaloa drug cartel leader El Chapo’s son, Ovidio Guzmán López. Video released by the government showed security personnel arresting him in Culiacán on October 17, only to let him go after cartel members were shot and wounded in an ambush as part of a peace offering.
The Mexican government surrendered.
Now it’s time for the US to deal with the Sinaloa cartel with some B52s loaded with heavy ordinance.
It was a massive embarrassment for AMLO, who came to power promising to solve the scourge of violence with “hugs, not bullets.” He’s failed on that front, according to the Mexican government’s own numbers. There were 14,603 murders from January to June, compared to the 13,985 homicides tallied during the same period last year. That means Mexico could surpass the 29,111 total murders from 2018, which was an all-time high.
Seems to me like more evidence that the US needs to start killing cartels, it would help the Mexican people too.
The situation is so bad that even 2020 Democrats have spoken openly about sending US troops to Mexico. “There is a scenario where we could have security cooperation,” South Bend, IN, Mayor Pete Buttigieg told a Latino forum in Los Angeles two weeks ago. But he added a major caveat, “I’d only order American troops into conflict if American lives were on the line and if it was necessary to meet treaty obligations.”
How about some 70,000 OD’ed Americans? Is that not enough? How about the thousands of Americans killed by illegal immigrants from and through Mexico? We’ve suffered casualties. The Democrats just refuse to acknowledge them.
This means AMLO is trying to balance not getting too much US help with relying on a skeleton crew in his own government. Still, he’s the leader, and having Trump send troops would be an admission that he’s not up to the task and is permitting violations of Mexico’s sovereignty.
“Mexico will never accept any action that violates our national sovereignty,” Marcelo Ebrard, Mexico’s foreign minister, tweeted Tuesday night.
If Trump does designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorists, then, you can expect US-Mexican relations to take a turn for the worse.
If (when) Trump wins a second term, this is what I think he should do:
Pull our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. We should no longer prop up those Islamist shit holes. They have been slitting each other’s throats over tribal reasons for thousands of years, we’re not going to make a bit of difference.
Then build the wall. Not in the US, but in Mexico. We take the first 500 yards of Mexico on the other side of the border as a buffer-zone. Build the wall and mine the land in front of it. Impose a shoot-to-kill order on the land.
It has worked for more than 50 years to keep the North Koreans contained. It should be equally effective on the cartels.
I still say we should just straight-up annex Mexico.
Mexico is best handled with punitive expeditions. A US controlled Mexico would make Puerto Rico look well run and honest.
Better to treat it like Israel handled Lebanon with an occupied buffer zone. Also encourage the OAS to seal Mexico’s southern border.
I disagree .. as SJC points out we’d be on the hook for managing it, and frankly, given what we’d be left with, I’d rather be in the Mideast.
I’d also rather not see us do a “clear-cutting” approach. Not even China is quite that willing to kill that many people that openly. (Although they are using population moves to that effect, just on a longer timescale.)
“…not even China…” — I’m not so sure. Consider their track record in occupied Tibet, and more recently in Xinjiang.
See also https://www.healtheuropa.eu/forced-organ-harvesting/91152/ for example. (Interesting to see that in a UK website. I wish it got more attention here.)
This was recommended to Obummer, but he didn’t have the balls to do it… sigh… It should be done NOW, before the election.
I dunno, I think that I agree with SJC.
Annual reports from the PR Office of the Inspector General would thereafter begin, “The good news is, PR is no longer the single most corrupt American Commonwealth/ dependancy…”