Florida: SB 636 – Use or Threatened Use of Force (Confirmed a Bad Biil)
Use or Threatened Use of Force: Revising the standard under which a person is justified in using or threatening to use nondeadly or deadly force from a person’s reasonable belief to the objective belief of a reasonably cautious and prudent person in the same circumstances; revising the burden of proof from clear and convincing evidence to a preponderance of the evidence which the party seeking to overcome immunity from criminal prosecution under a specified provision must prove, etc.
A reader gave his opinion about this bill and I decided to seek advice from our favorite lawyer, Andrew Branca. He has been kind enough to make a whole post in his blog about it.
POTD: More Politically-motivated Attacks on Self-Defense Law
It is ironic that even as the racial grievance industrial complex seeks to narrow the scope of what qualifies as self-defense, it is black citizens who are disproportionately the targets of violent crime,. It is thus black citizens who are disproportionately faced with the need to act in self-defense. It is thus black citizens who would be disproportionately increasingly likely to be convicted and imprisoned under the narrowed scope of self-defense sought than they would under the current broader scope of self-defense.
Racist, indeed, but not in the way the racial grievance industry pretends to be the case.
Now a state Senator in Florida—Oscar Braynon, a Democrat, naturally, who happens to be black and representing a largely black district—has advanced Senate Bill 636 to narrow the scope of that’s state’s self-defense law, with essentially three specific proposed policy changes. (The full text of SB 636 is embedded at the bottom of this post.)
Two of the changes SB 636 proposes appear to my eye to be of no actual consequence, and thus can be characterized as little more than political theater. The third would have actual consequence, but only the consequence of reverting Florida’s self-defense immunity law to a previous failed version.
Let’s consider each of the proposed changes in turn.
Go read the whole thing. Again on Monday I will remind you to contact our legislators.
It’s all fun and games until the guns come out
What is up with some people?
I work with guns. I conceal carry. I have guns in my hands every single day. So I have a fair bit of comfort with them.
Still…
I’m not so casual that I am going to mouth off to someone brandishing a gun.
Other people, on the other hand…
According to the Chicago Tribune:
South Side shooting of woman caught on Facebook Live
What is up with people getting shot on Facebook Live in Chicago?
A woman was shot in the arm Tuesday afternoon while live-streaming an argument with another woman on the South Side, according to Chicago police.
The victim, 27, was broadcasting on Facebook Live as she argued with a woman sitting in a car in the 6400 block of South Calumet Avenue in the Parkway Gardens neighborhood around 3 p.m., police said. The other woman pulled out a gun and fired, hitting the victim in the arm.
She saw the other woman pull out a gun and continued to mouth off to her. Seriously.
She’s lucky to be alive.
What goes through some people’s heads?
“The victim in this case knows the offender and we are working to locate.”
As of Tuesday evening, police had identified the shooter, but she remained at-large with a man who was also in the car.
The victim was taken to Stroger Hospital, where her condition has stabilized.
“What I can say is we believe this to be a domestic related incident between two individuals that know each other,” Guglielmi said. “We do not believe there is any threat to the public as this stemmed from an earlier interaction between the two of them.”
Oh, that explains it. This gets stupider by the sentence.
So one woman shoots another woman in a domestic violence situation.
I wonder if after all the “boyfriend loophole” bullshit that Moms Demand Action was pushing a while back, if they will cover this?
Maybe Gillette will do a Venus ad about this?
No? Probably not.
All I know is that if in the heat of an argument a gun comes out and is pointed at you, there are many things you can do. Personally, I vote for getting the hell out of there as fast as possible. That may or may not work for you. The one thing you shouldn’t do is keep mouthing off to the other asshole with a gun. That seems to always end badly.
FLORIDA URGENT: They are coming after Concealed Carry. SB 1122
SB 1122 was dropped on the last day of last month.
Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons or Firearms: Reducing the number of years that such licenses are valid; requiring that certain persons successfully demonstrate firearms proficiency through a specified course to obtain a license; providing course requirements, etc.
It drops the number of year the license is valid from 7 to 4 while the fee remaining the same. The bill now adds an order to “demonstrate proficiency safely handling and discharging a firearm” with a 50 shot course of fire and must get a passing grade of 70. Back to the Jim Crow laws requiring a demonstration of ability before being able to exercise a Constitutional Right. “Negro can’t read? Negro can’t vote.”
The bill has been introduced in the Judiciary Committee and that means we need to start pounding them. You know our new Agriculture Commissioner Nikki “Ganja” Fried is gonna come out in full support of his really bad bill.
I will remind you again Monday to call and write.
And other than Church Carry; we don’t have a pro-gun bill in the Legislature.
And we do have a shitload of bad ones. I’ll expand also on Monday.
Kids are now safe at Marjories Stoneman Douglass High School, right?
Meanwhile…this morning at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. #MSDStrong? Are your kids safe in @browardschools? #FixIt pic.twitter.com/IQ1OzQf5oH
— Ryan Petty (@rpetty) February 26, 2019
And there is another angle.
I sent my daughter to this school thinking she’d be safe.
She never came home.
Watch this brutal fight at the same school a year later.
Because of this incompetent school district, I have to live without my daughter for the rest of my life. #fixit pic.twitter.com/lHyjrDXj0V
— Andrew Pollack (@AndrewPollackFL) February 26, 2019
The 4 kids involved in the fracas were arrested. I am going to bet they all had some sort of prior act but you won’t find a record of it or it will be watered down. You have to keep those stats clean.
PS: Did you guys heard about this? I found out by pure coincidence. and covered only by one local TV Station.
Brianna Wu is still running and still ignorant
You may remember Brianna Wu from some previous posts.
She is the crazy, radical feminist who wants to create a universal basic income because self serve kiosks have proven to be more economic than paying people $15 to screw up your order at McDonald’s and not correctly make change, and thinks that Elon Musk wants to take over the world by setting up a moon base to launch rocks at the earth.
She also supports disarming Israel and letting the terrorist invade it.
Given those platforms, I’m surprised she lost her bid for Congress in 2018, so she’s updated her website and is making another stab at it in 2020.
If at first you fail miserably, go even more bat shit insane.
She decided that she was going to take to social media to attack gun owners with a bunch of bullshit and projection.
Really?
I seem to remember another group that was so upset when their candidate lost that they took to the streets and started beating people up.
What were they called?
They were in black masks and hoodies…. that’s right…. Antifa.
That group didn’t include all the other feminists and Leftist who took to the streets to cry and wail and act like mewling, tantruming brats when Trump won.
The defense against tyranny that we are worried about is, like what Miguel pointed out the other day, is the government deliberately starving people to death.
I’m more worried of someone like AOC using her text chain of 200 progressive activists to incite a pogrom against Conservatives or Omar and Tlaib invoking Korematsu against Jewish supporters of Israel as foreign agents.
Wu has been on an anti-AR-15 crazy pants kick this week.
Yeah… that reminds me a lot of the “journalist” from the NY Daily News who got PTSD from firing an AR-15 at a range.
First of all, I find the idea that she shot an M-16 under professional instruction to be highly dubious. Maybe she did, but I want details.
That said, this whole thread is horse shit.
The “I grew up in the South” part about target practice sounds like a New England Lefty trying to simultaneously gain gun expert credit while trying to pass it off as something unseemly because of anti-Southern prejudice.
“Back when I lived where cousins fuck and people have homes on wheels, I shot a gun because that’s what people do own there. But now that I live where Harvard is, I am more sophisticated than that.”
An AR-15 or even an M-16 is not a different beast. If you can handle a 10/22 you can handle a M-16.
I don’t know what that “you can feel the wind” thing is, unless she’s talking about muzzle blast at an indoor range. In which case, that is “shoulder thing that goes up” level vernacular inaccuracy.
Last time I brought up the issue about guns and Brianna Wu, I got into a fight with a reader over mandatory training. I don’t want to rehash that fight, but this is why I have a problem with mandatory training requirements.
She believes that it should take a minimum of 30-40 hours of training to shoot an M-16. I still don’t think she shot an M-16, probably an AR-15 and can’t tell the difference or is lying.
So assume that they know that gun makers will just work around an AWB again. Their goal is to ban all semi-autos. That might not survive a SCOTUS challenge.
In Europe and Australia they make no differentiation between assault weapons and other semi autos. They just outright ban semi-autos or have different permitting requirements for semi-autos that are stricter than for bolt guns.
Knowing that, how burdensome would a law be that says “to own a semi-automatic firearm. a permit is necessary and to obtain that permit requires 40 hours of training.”
What would 40 hours of training cost? A few thousand dollars? What working class person would take a week off of work or spend a few hours a night after for three weeks to get the training for the permit?
When called out on the fact the AR-15’s are not full auto, this is how she responded.
Really, converting an AR-15 to full auto is easy? This person is just bullshitting all over the place.
The late great Charles Krauthammer said:
“To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.”
That has been our downfall. We think that they are stupid. They are not, at least not all of them are. They are ignorant. That is true.
I don’t think these people are stupid. They know nothing about guns but they know how to scheme and connive and lie and be duplicitous and manipulate their way into getting what they want.
Wu is using projecting and fear mongering to try and strip us of our rights so that we are more easily abused.
That isn’t stupid, it is evil.