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HB 809 – Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons or Firearms

General Bill by Fernández (CO-SPONSORS) Smith, C.
Licenses to Carry Concealed Weapons or Firearms: Reduces term and fee of license to carry concealed weapon or firearm; requires retention of fingerprints in specified state system; requires proof of completion of firearms training or safety course or class meeting specified requirements to renew license.

Once again, on first impressions and by the description, there is nothing ominous about the bill, but the text tells us otherwise. Firs, once again we have another idiot trying to reduce the length of the validity of the license from 7 to 5 years.

Next we have this jewel:

Fingerprints shall be retained in the statewide automated biometric identification system under s. 943.05(2)(b) and when available, the national retained print arrest notification program under s. 943.05(4).

Congratulations! The State of Florida will consider you equal to a criminal by the simple act of getting a CWL. This is the application of Moms Demands’ mantra “All Gun Owners are Law abiding till they are not” or basically your pre-crime statute.  And knowing that only half of one percent Floridians who were ever issued a CWL committed a ANY felony or misdemeanor domestic abuse since the inception of the licensing belies the need for this level of scrutiny. This is the scheme they have in Hawaii were you are stripped of your guns and licenses if you are ever arrested for anything, not even convicted.

The last part of this bill is the obligatory 8 hour “firearms training or safety course or class” every time you need to renew your license. I am not going to bother with the details, but I see it as designed to have people say “screw it” because they do not want to waste a day teaching the class or instructors refusing to teach the class because it requires “Information on the statutory and case law of Florida relating to handguns and to the use of deadly force” and since most instructors are not lawyers, they would (or at least should) fear that they would get sued if something were to happen.

This bill makes it very clear why we need Constitutional Carry in Florida.

HB 6049 – Use of Deadly Force in Defense of a Person

General Bill by Joseph
Use of Deadly Force in Defense of a Person: Repeals provisions relating to home protection & use of deadly force, which creates presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm in certain circumstances & provides that person has no duty to retreat & has right to stand his or her ground & meet force with force in certain circumstances.

At first gaze, the bill’s summary does not look bad, right? But if we go straight to the text, we see the first huge problem in Section 1:

Section 1. Section 776.013, Florida Statutes, is repealed.

And what evil thing does Section 776.013 do that needs to be eradicated from the Florida Statutes?

Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

(1) A person who is in a dwelling or residence in which the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to use:(a) Nondeadly force against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force; or
(b) Deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

Oh yes, boys and girls, the elected morn pictured above wants to eliminate your right to defend yourself inside your home or dwelling.  Do you want to know something funny and brimming with irony? You guys remember Donovan Stewart, the man sleeping in his van who shot to death a robber armed with an A 47 clone saving his girlfriend and kid in the process? If Ms. Joseph’s bill was already the law of the Land, Mr. Donovan would have been arrested and sent to jail awaiting prosecution for murder. And the ironic part is that this event happened in Liberty City which is within Ms. Joseph’s district. How’s that for a kick in the ass? One of her constituents defends himself and others and Ms Joseph comes with a bill to put him in prison.

But wait! There is more! The bill then goes to modify Section 776.012 to eliminate the most hated section (for Liberals and Democrats) of Florida’s Self Defense statutes: Stand Your Ground.

That is what the strike-out means. And it makes sense if you think about it: If your life is worth defending inside your home, why should you be allowed to defend it outside your home?  I wonder if Ms. Joseph got the idea from her native Haiti in some sort of spiritual resurrection of the Tonton Macoute era .  Making self-defense illegal is a great way to maintaining the populace under control cheaply: They send a small detachment of goons to mess you up at home and you are afraid to kill them because you will end up in prison. It is a well and proven tactic all over south of the border.

As an immigrant, it is repugnant to see another when another immigrant thinks the fascist formulas from the old country they left behind are the best and that goes double for her who apparently worked in the UN and other posts dealing with refugees. I guess she got a taste for having people unable to stand for themselves.

Hat Tip Sal F.

Last time I wrote about Charolette Clymer it was when she was ignoring the facts about the most recent California school shooting.

This time she decided to use the Pensacola Naval Air Station shooting to push gun control, proving once again, that the facts are irrelevant, she just wants to take your guns.

To bring you up to speed:

‘Barbaric’: Saudi national opens fire on Pensacola Navy base, kills 3, injures 8

A Saudi man training at the Naval Air Station Pensacola opened fire on the base early Friday morning with a handgun, killing three and injuring eight before deputies fatally shot him, authorities said.

The shooter was identified as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, a member of the Saudi military, a U.S. official told The Associated Press. The official wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity. A motive for the attack is unknown.

The shooting began around 6:30 a.m. CT and the suspect was halted by two Escambia County sheriff’s deputies, who arrived on scene in less than five minutes, Sheriff David Morgan said. An official who was not authorized to speak publicly said that the gunman did not use his military-issued service weapon.

The shooter is a Saudi national and a member of the Saudi military.  He would be prohibited by Federal law from buying – or as Miguel pointed out, even using – a gun in the United States.

So where did he get his gun, because I couldn’t have just gone off base and bought one at the local gun store?

Knowing how tight security is around foreign nationals is for training at US installations, I wonder how much free access he had to wander around off-base to find a gun?

Furthermore, Pensacola Naval Air Station still prohibits personal weapons on base, making it a gun-free zone.

None of these facts made any difference to Clymer, who used this attack to call for more gun rights restrictions.

Friendly reminder that there are folks who would have us give firearms to untrained teachers in schools as a solution to gun violence when military bases like NAS Pensacola can’t seem to prevent this from happening.

The problem is bad people having access to guns. Fix that.

— Charlotte Clymer?️‍? (@cmclymer) December 6, 2019

Tell me exactly what loophole or law allowed this to happen, I’m curious.

When she was challenged on this she acquiesced to the fact that guns are not allowed on the base, but people could still smuggle them in.

No, NAS Pensacola disallows carry without authorization from the base commander, meaning that even under guidelines, someone can get on base with a firearm and even without authorization, not every car is searched.

Furthermore, that is a blatant lie about training teachers.

— Charlotte Clymer?️‍? (@cmclymer) December 6, 2019

So someone who will break the law to smuggle a gun onto a military base will obey the law buying the gun?  I doubt it considering that the law prohibits foreign nationals from buying guns in the US.

When she was called out on this, she resorted to “but I’m a veteran.”

Sweetie, I would definitely rather be a military veteran who advocates against gun violence than a washed up Bills player who couldn’t close the deal in three Super Bowls. ? https://t.co/23s6UkSXGL

— Charlotte Clymer?️‍? (@cmclymer) December 6, 2019

You know what.  Fuck her veteran status.  Her status does not give her the right to eliminate the civil rights of American civilians.

Do you know what a system is called when the military has special rights to dominate and restrict the freedoms of the citizenry?  A junta.  Clymer’s fantasy land is a Progressive junta where Leftists in uniform get to decide what rights the rest of us have.  Because she’s a veteran.

And just for good measure, she decided that insulting her opponents intelligence was a good counter to facts.

Sweetie, I have no desire to read whatever illegible nonsense you’ve scrawled in crayola. If you need to understand how gun reform works, look at our allies across the world who have common sense gun reform and don’t see children murdered with firearms on a weekly basis. https://t.co/UgmYF2IZjl

— Charlotte Clymer?️‍? (@cmclymer) December 6, 2019

Nothing about a foreign national getting his hands on a gun in the US and trying to sneak it onto a US military base is legal.  There is no passable gun control law that would have prevented this.

But that doesn’t matter, Clymer wants total civilian disarmament because she’s a veteran.

Also, I suspect that this is a coordinated act of terrorism and there is a conspirator in the US who provided this guy with his gun.  I’ll continue to monitor this event.

I want you to look at the photo. That is the UPS truck up front and (visible) 24 law enforcement vehicles from 9 agencies chasing after it.

This was a Far East Fire Drill (apparently I cannot say Chinese Fire Drill anymore) in the making and proven true at the end of the chase when the UPS driver and a bystander ended up dead.

Yes, the bad guys had already proven they were dangerous: they were armed, shot an employee of the jewelry store and kidnaped a civilian to escape authorities, but this was police overkill.

I do not know who shot who and I will not comment on that till the investigation is done. But there is no excuse for this posse attitude from the agencies. At least two agencies (Broward Sheriff and Miami-Dade PD) have helicopters that could have followed the truck and the suspects and the cops be distributed in a way that anticipated the kidnapers.

I have the strange feeling that nobody was talking to anybody else (including up and down the respective chains of command) and in the best South Florida tradition, this was a Greyhound race that ended up with the bunny dead.

This is a whole lot of bad:

UPS driver killed in armed robbery, chase and shootout identified as a young father

Family members and friends are mourning the loss of a UPS driver and young father, killed after being taken hostage by two armed robbers in Miramar.

WFOR reported the name of the driver as Frank Ordonez, one of four people killed in the incident. His brother told CBS Miami he’d been a driver with UPS for the past five years.

However, Thursday was Ordonez’s first day as a UPS driver.

Ordonez leaves behind a one-year-old daughter.

Killed on the first day of his job in a police shootout?  This is like something out of a Lethal Weapon movie.

The ordeal began as an armed robbery and possible shooting at Regent Jewelers in Coral Gables on Thursday afternoon. A female employee suffered injuries in the armed robbery.

Police said the armed robbery suspects then carjacked a UPS truck as the driver was making deliveries.

Holy shit.

The police chase ended with the armed robbery suspects and police exchanging gunfire on Miramar Parkway, just west of Flamingo Road. According to CBS Miami, 19 officers from five different agencies fired into the UPS truck. The number of shots fired could exceed 200 rounds.

Were they making up for Broward’s lack of response in Parkland or did they take shooting lessons from the NYPD?

The two armed robbers were killed.

The FBI identified the pair as 41-year-old Lamar Alexander and 41-year-old Jerome Hill.

Both are from Miami-Dade County.

A civilian motorist was also killed in the shootout.

Two bad guys, a bystander (by-driver?) and the hijacking victim were all killed.

The FBI is taking the lead in the investigation, according to Miramar Mayor Wayne Messam, who spoke to CBS12 News reporter James Torrez on Friday.

Good, because when you watch the video the question is: killed by whom?

There are some hair-raising videos from that shooting.

Every long “pew” that you hear in this, is a bullet whizzing past the person recording this.

There are civilians behind the bad guys when the police started shooting.

Those are police taking cover behind civilian cars with people still in them.

I’m amazed more people were not killed.

I’m not a cop, I won’t even pretend to be on the internet.

I’m just curious about the wisdom of engaging in a massive firefight on the Miramar Parkway during heavy traffic.

This is one to follow.

The idiots of Extinction Event are “blocking” an intersection in DC as I write this. I use the term “blocking” because it looks like DCPD already diverted traffic and about the only cars in the intersection are police ones.

somebody was live streaming the “protest” and I saw this young something with this sign:

The first thing my mind popped up was “Soylent Green” from the 1973 movie.

And just a reminder, Soylent Green is set in the year 2022. Where is Soylent Blue? It is 2019 and we are supposed to be living in a almost dead world and getting our nutrition via Soylent Blue.

Yeah, but the science was settled back then just like it os now.

There are no coincidences.

Yesterday an Active Shooter at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam. And just now the news of another active shooter in a navy base, this time in NAS Pensacola.

(OK, yes, there are the copycats and stuff.)