They have the support of the victims.

And I say right off the bat I love JLC. But as a Dancing Monkey, she is more attuned to the benefit of a madman who is starving his country to death as long as he can get missiles and atomic weapons because the POTUS is not the one she likes. I can bet you that her brain has not processed the fact that North Korea had an unfettered eight years of missile and nuke development under her Blessed Obama.

Now, when Harvey Weinstein returns to Hollywood, bet your ass she will be one that will accept him with open arms under the excuse that everybody needs a second chance because that is what victims do.

In all the hysterics that have occurred in the last 24 to 48 hours about Trump and shithole countries, and before that debates over DACA, Dreamers, amnesty, and chain migration, there is a YUGE central question that gets totally skipped over.

Who should be the primary beneficiary of immigration?

That is the real question between the left and right on the issue of immigration.

I will acknowledge that a leaked memo from a high ranking Democrat insider said that Dreamers becoming citizens is critical for Democrat electoral success – the DNC needs illegals to be able to vote to win elections.  I don’t believe that everybody on the Left is that cynically calculating on illegal immigration.

It’s worse than that, they are true believers in one of the answers to the above question.

So what are the answers?

1) America/Americans should be the primary beneficiary of immigration.

2) Immigrants themselves should be the primary beneficiary of immigration.

Fundamentally, Conservatives believe in Answer No. 1 and Liberals/Progressives believe in Answer No. 2.

This is evident in the arguments and policies made by each side.

Conservatives genuinely love America in an as-is condition and want to protect her and her citizens.  The Conservative attitude on immigration is that people from all over the world can come to America but America has the right to decide who and come here and under what conditions.  Conservatives priorities people who have the best chance for free market success in the US, e.g. people who have skills and talents, as well as a personal drive to succeed.  Conservatives want immigrants to come in at a manageable rate so that they can be integrated into American society.

It’s likely then that the immigrant from around the world who comes here will prosper more here than they will in their home land, but the primary beneficiary of that immigrant coming here is America, with the addition of another taxpaying, prosperous, resident adding to the economy.

On the overhand…

Liberals don’t like America as-is – they hate patriotic songs, the 4th of July, the troops, really any expression of patriotism.  They think that America is a racist, bigoted, xenophobic, nation, so why would they want people to emigrate to it?  They believe that America got rich from colonialism and the exploitation of other (browner skin) nations.  This is the central theme of Howard Zinn’s People’s History of the United States.

The Liberal perspective on immigration is that the poorest people from the poorest nations should come here, in droves, as a form of reparations.  Overall, more than half of immigrants on are goverment assistance.  Among certain groups, like Middle Eastern refugees favored by Obama, over 90% are on food assistance and 68% are on cash welfare.  The net cost to California for illegal immigration is $23 Billion dollars.

The people the Left wants to import are the least likely to succeed.  They are the poorest and most poorly educated people from the shittiest of the shithole countries, who are almost guaranteed to need to live for some period of time on taxpayer funded, government assistance.

But if you believe that America got rich by exploiting poorer nations, than this type of immigration policy is just giving poor, brown skin, people their money back.  America’s economy must be sacrifices for the benefit of immigrants.

There is a reason why, when listening to the Democrats, you get the idea that every Dreamer is a valedictorian who is going to cure cancer then pilot a spaceship to the moon, and the general sense that they value illegal immigrants more than citizens.

So…

Saying “we don’t want people from these shitholes” to a Conservative is saying “we don’t want illiterate, unskilled people to come here who are going to live on welfare and not contribute anything to America.”

Perhaps there is a better way of conveying that sentiment.  My best friend is the American born son of immigrants from Venezuela.  They have degrees in petroleum engineering and have done well in the US.  Azerbaijan is a poor nation, but my undergrad department head was a Soviet educated petroleum engineer from there.  I believe that we should admit people from poor nations, but they should be the best and brightest who can come here and put their knowledge and skills to building a better America.  I’ll take a Brazilian surgeon, the gang member can stay behind.

Saying “we don’t want people from these shitholes” to a Liberal is saying “America stole their money making them more and now we want them to stay there because we’re racist.

Either you believe that when immigrants come here they should add to the power of America’s economy or they should be able to live of handouts of America’s largess.

There is no compromise between these two positions.

I saw Miguel’s post Thank You. I’ll pass on those puppies. and I thought I’d toss in my two cents.

I hate pit bulls.  I loathe pit bulls.  By extension, I hate pit bull owners too.

You can tell me all you want about how it’s not the breed, it’s the owner.  I know and I still don’t care.

Dog fighting is a large part of Cuban culture and has been adopted by blacks in Miami.  Backyard dog fighting is popular in poorer black and Cuban neighborhoods all over Miami.  There was even a documentary about this available on Netflix.  Miami-Dade county banned pit bulls and mastiffs for this reason but dog fighting is still a problem.

Dog fighting is illegal.  So the people in Miami who run dog fighting rings didn’t just do dog fighting.  Dog fighting is associated with drug dealing, gambling, and all sorts of other criminal activity.  So it should come as no supersize that dog fighting rings are often run by gangs.

So growing up in Miami when you saw a pit bull, you were almost 100% guaranteed that the owner was a complete criminal piece of shit.  Being banned, there was only one reason to have a pit bull out in the open and that was for intimidation.  Walking around with a pit bull was about the same as walking around brandishing a pistol-grip shotgun.

It was a message to everyone “I’m a hard ass you don’t want to fuck with.”

Just like idiot criminals who shoot innocent bystanders, these fighting dogs get out and maul innocent children.

So when it comes to pit bulls in South Florida, if I see one, my first inclination is to go for my gun; and if I have to draw it an use it, the first few rounds are for the dog, the rest are for the owner.

UPDATE –

A few people who commented on this post don’t quite seem to get what I m talking about and have accused me of having an opinion on pit bulls like anti gunners on assault weapons.

Let me see if I can make this a little clearer.

In the gun world there is an aphorism: when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Well, Miami-Dade county outlawed pit bulls and consequently only outlaws have pit bulls.

The dog is a weapon.  It is trained and tortured and tormented into a killing machine.  It’s not a loving family pet.

In places were open carry is legal, and you see some guy walking around with a gun holstered, he’s not a threat.

In Miami, there is no equivalent with pit bulls.  There is nobody taking their family pit bull out for a walk.

The equivalent gun metaphor is a guy in a place where open carry is illegal walking around holding a pistol, pointing it people.

When do you see a put bull on a leash?  When somebody wants to start shit with you.  They come out for neighbor disputes.  You read news reports about some guy going over to his neighbor’ house to complain about a party and brought a gun with him.  In Miami, it’s the same thing except the neighbor brought a pit bull on a chain.

Except it’s worse.   A gun just sitting there won’t kill anybody.  Pit bulls that have been trained to fight, tortured into being super aggressive get out an maul children and innocent bystanders.

This isn’t some irrational namby-pamby fear.

This is knowing that (in Miami, like I said above) the snarling, bristling dog on the end of that chain isn’t a cuddly house pet,  it want’s to kill you because the guy holding the chain made it that way.

And let me make this perfectly clear.  IF I have to shoot the pit bull, and then the owner, it is because Mr. Piece-of-shit-criminal with his fighting dog, let it go.  He “fire the first shot,” not with a gun but with a fighting dog.

I am gonna give you the bullet points and then you can go to the video which is cued.

The older lady’s son apparently was shot to death by campus police.  She is demanding that they release the video of what happened, which suggests the incident is still being investigated. The problem for some is her sign:

And although all kids support her petition  to have the video released, several openly say the sign is not kosher and one makes an impromptu sign of his own:

There is a decent and civil back and forth between the parties and even when it gets a tad heated, it is well within the confines of a civil discussion.  The kid decides to make his own sign but he was not unaware of a Social Justice Warrior by his side.

Finished, the kid displays his sign and SJW reads it.

And she loses her loving mind. Let’s go to the video cued in place:

Those were not love taps but intentional hits to cause pain. A quick check online (IANAL warning) makes me think she can be charged with menacing (which is what Colorado calls battery), which is defined as when an individual has used violent physical force against the body of another person.  It is a Class 3 misdemeanor and carries up to 6 months in prison and/or up to $750 in fines.

The kid in his good graces refuses to press charges. I believe he was mistaken and that SJW Chick should be arrested and prosecuted.  By being nice you only reinforce the concept they can suppress Free Speech by violent means and be untouchable. She needs a legal punch across the face and that should include expulsion from the school and the full six months in jail where she will get daily gynecological examinations my Wanda Maria Jones.  Maybe her example will curb other idiots like her about getting violent just because they can.

But it is Colorado… kinda weird place to begin with.

Just kidding guys, nothing but love.

“ZOMG! Trump called countries shitholes!”
“Well, that is because they are shitholes.”
“You are being racist!”
“I am? How about you moving to Haiti?”
“Well, it is not the same. Haiti has problems.”
“Like lack of potable water?”
“Yes.”
“No medical infrastructure to speak of?”
“That too.”
“No drainage to speak of, black and grey waters flowing down the street?”
“Hmpf… ”
“Food shortages.”
<Silence>
“High rate of crime.”
“OK, OK, yes the place has bad problems and I won’t live there because…”
“…it is a shithole.”
“Fuck you racist!”