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I have no idea what is the problem with carrying a round in the chamber, specially with pistols designed in the last 40 years. It was cute the way the instructor did the bumpfire, but I wish i could see if any target was actually hit. Also loved the way he placed his hand over the muzzle of the gun.
And cover is for pussies…
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The “only one kneepad” thing is cute, too. Because they KNOW in a dynamic fight that they’ll NEVER have to go down on the left knee. Oofah.
But you’re right, the casual grasping of the pistol by the muzzle is truly egregious.
Nope, not taking that one…
The derp is so strong with this one, we haven’t had time to notice his videographer is downrange for most of the action shots.
I’m still going to carry Locked and Loaded. Cover? Something substantial, like a 54 Buick. I’m never going to be that much of a badass.
Israelis don’t carry one in the chamber because in most of their operating environments they are in very close quarters and run the risk of having their weapon taken from them by surprise and it delays the assailant. You may wonder, how could they have their weapon taken? It happens a lot when they are quickly surrounded or ambushed in blind alleys. They are very practical in their training and this one is due to operational lessons learned.
That’s a great rationale for that procedure in that environment. Genuinely appreciate that insight.
Are the group shown in the video offering training in Israel? Or in the US? If in the US, I’m not sure our different environment justifies that particular procedure.
But I’m a desk-bound gun fighter. 🙂
That may be why they are still using it now, but I believe that their technique was born out of the fact that Israel was a new country, and when war first came down on them, most folks didn’t know their way around guns. Not having one in the chambers made NDs pretty hard
I suppose they’ve never heard of a retention holster?
My understanding of Israeli training to carry not chambered was that when doctrine was established they didn’t have a standard handgun. Chambering after the draw is the single training method that worked on everything available.
“…run the risk of having their weapon taken from them by surprise and it delays the assailant”
Wait… so the theory is to delay one’s own response just in case the gun is grabbed… to delay the attacker?
I may be attacked, so I need to make my response time longer, so I can respond… while my assialant is delayed with *my* gun?
The one kneepad thing looks so cool, I just may start wearing one arround the office.
Do people carry with the safety on? If so, they are increasing the time it takes to bring their gun into firing condition in the event of an attack! They might even fumble thumbing the safety. Ah, but the gain in safety, combined with training to make enabling the gun an instinct, is worth the tradeoff of putting a gun in a non-firing state for carry, they say. Exactly so.
All the other issues have been addressed. I’m still wondering why they keep advancing with an empty magazine – is it safer/more effective to reload only when you realy-truly-righ-now need to?
Oh, heck! I find I cannot leave without asking about raising the weak hand to a guard position when the target is 25 yards away. :headbang:
So what happens when your non shooting hand becomes incapacitated before the draw? Maybe your in a struggle with an assailant and your shooting hand is the only free hand…you pull your weapon to stop the threat and your weapon does not go bang. How about teaching good weapon retention? Not carrying a round in the chamber…seriously? Lets hope in an adrenalin filled high energy fighting for your life situation you are able to cycle a round into the chamber with no failures. Good luck with all that! Speaking from 23 years prior law enforcement this is just not a good idea.
They are blinded by your Krav Maga awesomeness!
What if your weak-hand is incapacitated and your first shot is a misfire? Everyone should practice racking the pistol one-handed (strong and weak) because you might not be able to use two hands to clear a malfunction.
I can’t see the context of the training entirely but it appears that they aren’t working cover. As a LEO agency firearms instructor and program head, we often will focus on parts of training, like cover, movement, target aqusition, shoot / no shoot, etc or combine them.
Secondly, when working the range for an 8 or 12 hour day, we don’t always wear both knee pads or I will share mine if somebody didn’t bring any. But if it’s just a quick training day we don’t even bother with them, because most of our pants have integrated pads now and they work great for short term use. Adrenaline in the field kicks in and you don’t even need them (speaking from experience).
The round not chambered is IMO absurd, but most of our MIL now is not allowed to carry hot. This was a major issue for IPO (International Police Officers) working overseas contractors in conjunction with the MIL in Iraq and Afghanistan. However that’s how we train & carry for an entire career, that muscle memory isn’t going away… So we are allowed to remain hot.
The make excellent retention holsters, but the thing with Israelis is that they want to approach training from a position of worse case scenario first, then work their way up. As a cop, I have had people try to take my weapon from the holster. Because of Krav Maga, they didn’t. But as a trainer I know it happens with fatal consequences more often than it should. Retention holsters are not the pinnacle of retention. So we train for it. But we always run a hot range.
Lastly, we practice and I train my officers to not be afraid of covering the slide and ejection port while training. This allows them to see what happens in a SA firearm when it’s had hands on it in the field, possible malfunctions, etc. Covering the actual muzzle should never be allowed. I didn’t see that in the video, so I can’t comment specifically to that.
As for the Krav Maga, I have been a certified instructor for both civilians and military since 2000 and I didn’t see any KM specific training. But welcome to Israel. They have some pretty different KM than we do- welcome to the litigious USA, different threats, and a different mindset.
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