So I am reading that Dylann Roof (A.K.A. Mr Smegma) was taking the drug Suboxone which is a combination of Buprenorphine (Opioid) and Naloxone which is an special narcotic drug that reverses the effects of other narcotic medicines. Naloxone is known by another name: Narcan. This is given to junkies who suffer an overdose and as I have heard and read, the junkies come out of the OD highly aggressive and they need to be restrained with chains & metal straps…OK just regular straps.

So we are basically giving speedball to screwed up pieces of human detritus and people are shocked that shit happens?

And no, I am not excusing the guy with the breakfast bowl haircut. Just call me when you need to flip the switch on his chair and I’ll gladly do it.

UPDATE: Check the comments section, great info offered by those who know about Suboxone and correcting my initial impression. Thanks to all. 😀

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By Miguel.GFZ

Semi-retired like Vito Corleone before the heart attack. Consiglieri to J.Kb and AWA. I lived in a Gun Control Paradise: It sucked and got people killed. I do believe that Freedom scares the political elites.

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  1. We do a LOT of fucked up shit in Medicine. We give opioid painkillers to people with chronic injuries (like a back, neck, or leg injury), with no regard for opioid hyperalgesia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid-induced_hyperalgesia

    Seen a bunch of people (some no longer with us likely because of this) who always “needed more” painkillers because the drugs weren’t cutting through the pain….and they were RIGHT, but the drugs were actually CAUSING that pain at that level.

    Have a relative going through this right now….thankfully I’m not really close with him, because I suspect the doctors are going to kill him, and there will be no malpractice….

  2. The combination provides a “lesser of two evils” for detoxing from heavy opiates (legally and illegally acquired). The opioid portion replaces the “heavy” opiate the addict is used to and can be more easily detoxed from later. The Naloxone portion keeps the user from overdosing on the suboxone.

    The crazed reactions from narcan are due to the dosing and the route given (IV versus oral), not something usually seen in your average suboxone patient.

  3. Miggy,

    I’ve got some experience with suboxone via two close friends of mine (veterans) who had reached the point of opioid hyperalgesia (with oxycontin) and an old high school friend of our oldest adopted daughter.

    In all three cases, the suboxone was used sublingually, beginning with 8mg strips for two of the patients. The third started with just 4mg (I cut the strip in half). Prior to being prescribed suboxone, the qualifications for the patient were pretty stringent. Suboxone is a Schedule II drug that has its own separate pharmaceutical classification from DEA compliance and FDA–it is THAT specialized. Very few pharmacies, both per capita and percentage-wise, have suboxone on hand and it takes a special license from DEA to handle it. It also take a special prescription pad in order to write the prescription, and for new patients, the pharmacist is often required to make voice-contact with the prescribing physician.

    In other words, suboxone is extremely regulated and controlled.

    It is also a literal lifesaver.

    The administration of suboxone is to wait until the opiate victim is literally going into moderate to severe withdrawals, then administer the first 8mg sublingual strip. The strip takes up to one minute to dissolve.

    What is very important here is that the patient MUST be into frank withdrawal symptoms before the suboxone is administered. If the opiates are still active in the body, the absorption of the suboxone will cause a severe and unpleasant reaction which will include violent nausea, severe sweating combined with chills and painful cramps.

    Suboxone is a tool used to transient an opiate addict off of the opiates while mitigating the withdrawal pain and symptoms. It is not similar to the old methadone-to-get-off-heroin techniques of yesteryear, although in principle it is very similar.

    In all three cases of the suboxone administration, I queried the prescribing physicians up one side and down the other about side effects, likely outcomes, etc. Did the same with the dispensing pharmacists.

    All this bullshit from nutsack Alex Jones and the first-name-only experts at WND about violent rages and severe depression because of suboxone is just that: Bullshit. ANY side effect is possible with just about any drug and because we’re such a litigious society. . .

    In short, suboxone is a tool; a very valuable, very controlled, very regulated, very expensive tool that when administered correctly and with supervision. . . works.

    I doubt it had a damn thing to do with the little penis-wrinkle deciding to walk in and shoot up those people. His asshole racist mentality combined with complete and total numbnuts for parents were responsible for that.

    But once again, our society cannot believe that people should be held accountable for their evil deeds. No, let’s blame guns or one segment of society or the other.

    But didn’t I write a book that covered how to deal with mass-shooter scumbags like this loser?

    JD Kinman

  4. Not even close to a “speedball” (an opiate combined with a stimulant). An opiate OD (non-fatal) is reversed by Narcan which blocks the effect of the abused opiate. The person thus saved will awaken to the onset of withdrawal. He/She will probably not be very happy. Mixing a “weak” opiate with Narcan gives some addicts a usable transition out of the addiction.

    Return from any number of life threatening conditions can be associated with panic, aggression, and violence. A diabetic colleague, normally a kindly guy, was brought to an ER with almost unsurvivably low levels of blood glucose. He was given iv glucose. He “celebrated” his survival by cold-cocking the attending physician. It wasn’t anything personal; he just nailed the biggest threat who was in his face.

    I don’t think that opiate addiction or the therapy for an addiction are to blame for this guy.

    This person” is just a “wack”. I am sure that his parents and his lawyers (but not his Uncle) will try for legally “insane”. They don’t have much else. From all I have read so far, I’d give him full credit for his work. Maybe South Carolina will not give him a lifetime party, a publicity platform, and a wife such as California did for Charlie.

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