Feeling ashamed of shameful things is not BAD. It’s called being an empathetic and moral human being. Shame helps us do better. When I visited the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum about the impact of the US’s atomic bomb, as an American, I felt shame.
— Ida Bae Wells (@nhannahjones) November 6, 2021
The desire for so many Americans to be free of collective shame, collective atonement and collective responsibility for the shameful legacy of centuries of slavery, racism, apartheid & terroristic violence visited upon fellow citizens is the sign of an immature & selfish culture.
— Ida Bae Wells (@nhannahjones) November 6, 2021
I refuse to feel shame or guilty for things I did not do and that I don’t support, done by people I did not know before I was born.
I refuse to atone or pay reparations for those things.
Anyone who wants to make you feel shame or guilt for things you did not do is emotionally abusing and manipulating you.
I refuse.
That is a bingo!
Ida Bae has never heard of the Rape of Nanking.
Japanese we’re savages and deserved everything they got. No shame.
I refuse to be part of collective anything: Collective shame or collective pride, collective atonement or collective grievance, collective responsibility or collective abrogation… Each and every one of these concepts should be anathema to anyone who believes individual free will and personal liberty.
I feel no “guilt” for bombs that were dropped in a war that happened long before I was born just because the people who dropped them looked vaguely like me, spoke the same language I do, and lived in the same general geographic area; Nor do I feel any “pride” in a symphony written long before I was born by a man who looked vaguely like my great-great-grandparents, spoke the same language they did, and lived in the same general geographic area; I don’t need “reparations” because some folks who looked vaguely like me were held in chattel slavery centuries ago; I don’t owe “reparations” because some folks who looked vaguely like me held others in chattel slavery centuries ago…
Collectivism and authoritarianism are the greatest threats to Western Civilization in recorded history.
To the leftists, it is always “society’s” fault. And, society as a whole always has to pay.
It is how they can justify, in their minds, confiscation of money from those who earned it, to give it to those that have not. Society is responsible for ensuring you do not suffer from student loan debt, or large medical bills. And, when a virus is out there, it is your responsibility to ensure others do not catch it.
This is no different. Be ashamed because people associated with your country’s past did some less than noble things. You didn’t, but you should atone for it anyway.
Nothing but collectivism.
I take the use of atomic weapons rather personally. My dad upon return from fighting in Europe was training for the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands. His division was slated to be in the first wave, estimated casualties 80-90%. To say he was glad the nukes forced the Japanese to surrender would be an understatement. Me, I likely wouldn’t be here if Japan had not surrendered.
Ditto here. My grandpa was in the phillipines at the time. He was expecting to have a front row seat so to speak and is convinced hed be dead if he did. He was a 5′ 4″ guy who couldnt swim so hes probably right.
Somehow, I get the feeling her willingness to “feel” collective guilt is limited to ones that are useful for her politics.
My father was a hospital corpsman in the South Pacific. He was on several islands, including Guadalcanal. Natives were slaughtered by the Japanese. They beheaded many of them, and the natives when given the chance did likewise to the Japanese. My father caught malaria fighting malaria, caught some shrapnel in his leg, picked up body parts, helped heal people whenever he could.
Shame? No. Sadness? Yes. I feel for the innocents who were caught up in the war. I feel for the innocents who were killed, I feel sad for the Japanese Americans, German Americans, and Jews who were treated differently because of things other people did. I feel sad for the war dead. I sorrow for the persecuted. I feel sad that the human race can’t seem to live in peace. But sometimes, we are forced to fight to defend ourselves or others. There is no shame in that. Shame belongs to those who do something wrong.
I had three uncles in WWII as well. One was a pharmacist’s mate. One was a gunner. One flew an extraordinary number of missions into Germany in a B-17. They were some of the nicest men you’d ever meet. The uncle who flew the Flying Fortress was one of the gentlest men you’d ever meet. They didn’t talk much about the war. They were proud of their service to their country, but what they saw and what they had to do made them sad. I think that is appropriate.
I’ve been to Nagasaki & stood at ground zero there. I didn’t feel shame at all, just sadness that the war went to that extreme. But that’s the nature of war sometimes & the Japanese are an extraordinary people & it took an extraordinary event to break their will to continue the war.
If you go I recommend going through the museum there as well.
Dropping the bombs on Japan ended the war and saved hundreds of thousands of lives, both American and Japanese. If anyone should feel ashamed it’s the Japanese military leaders who stubbornly refused to surrender when faced with inevitable and certain defeat. They alone are culpable and I don’t hold their descendants responsible.
Estimates up to a million lives were saved by the bombs.
When the Chinese feel collective shame for all their killing…
When the Japanese feel collective shame for WWII atrocities…
When the Arabs feel collective shame for their part in the slave trade…
When the Russians feel collective shame for Holodomar and Chechnya…
When the Turks feel collective shame for Armenian and Assyrian genocide…
When the Tutsis feel collective shame for the Hutus…
THEN we can talk. And I still won’t feel collective shame.
When demoncrats feel shame over 50 million murdered babies, I’ll still say fuck’em.
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The casualty estimates for Operation Downfall (the planned invasion of Japan’s home islands) ran as high as 1.8 million, 400K – 800K of those being deaths, although estimates of 1 million casualties with 250K deaths was more common.
I wonder how many of the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, their relatives, spouses, and friends, of those 1 million estimated casualties feel “shame” because their ancestor did not die on the beach because the atomic bombs negated the need for an invasion.
Further analysis of potential casualties from Operation Downfall, done after the war and we got a chance to see what they had prepared for us, concluded that the proposed casualty figures would have been much greater if we had invaded.
We had no knowledge of the thousands of planes they had hidden. Of torpedoes prepared in coastal launchers, both manned and unmanned torpedoes. Of mines ready to be released into the waters. Of mines towed by swimmers. Of all the landmines being prepared and stashed everywhere. Of all the spears, sharpened bamboo pikes, other hand weapons and explosives being readied for everyone, from old to children, to use to fight us.
We are still issuing Purple Hearts minted for the original casualty numbers expected.
So, nope, the Nukes saved Japan.
I refuse to feel shame or guilty for things I did not do, but were done that kept my father and two of his brothers from having to be involved instead in the invasion of Japan.
The younger uncle passing along tales of the kamakazi attacks he and his shipmates dealt with aboard the Vincennes during the invasion of Okinawa informed me that it would have been a bloodbath the likes of which were never before seen.
I refuse to feel shame, atone or pay reparations simply because the Japanese should actually be grateful those two atomic bombs finally convinced the emperor to stop the war. Those killed would have likely been killed anyway and we know so many more would have wound up being scraped into multiple mass graves.
If we’re going down the collective guilt rabbit hole, it’s funny how somehow, the Democrats have put all the guilt for all the many racist and explicitly Democrat actions on the Republicans. Slavery, the Trail of Tears, the KKK, Jim Crow, Internment camps- all them were straight up Democrat let and abetted.
So, let the Democrat Party lead by personal example, and let them use their own funds to make things right. No, not taxpayer funds. Let’s let the many wealthy doners dig into their own pockets, and put their money where their mouth is.
Dropping the bombs on Hiroshima/Nagasaki was the right thing to do.
Liberals hide behind collective shame for things other generations have allegedly done, because it’s easier than admitting personal guilt for the shitty things they themselves have done.
A civil war that resulted in a white person’s death for every 8-10 slaves freed seems like some form of atonement.
Slavery, hmm, slavery. We’ll Ms. Twit, why is it that when you demand shame and reparations and the other rubbish, you never, never speak of your brethren your kin, who for 200ish years were quite willing to profit from selling you and your ilk in to bandage, slavery ? Why is it that you never demand of them shame and recompense ? In fact none of you ever broach that history, never have the courage and honesty to confront that historical truth. Part of the reason is your abject cowardice, your greed, and your gross ignorance. So twit, bugger off, bugger off and KMA.
A-bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a million American lives, several million Japanese lives, and placed post-war Japan under American control and influence instead of under Soviet communism. They would be North Korea now if not for those bombs.
I refuse to accept guilt for something I am not guilty of. I have enough sins on my soul.
“When I visited the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum about the impact of the US’s atomic bomb, as an American, I felt shame.”
Then you’re an idiot without two brain cells to rub together, and any “wisdom” you offer should be flushed immediately and some kind of air freshener used to get rid of the smell.
The lady feels ‘guilt’ for all sorts of things. Does she reach out a hand or reach into her pocket to alleviate any of the suffering she feels ‘guilty’ about? You know the answer…
Why do you never here about all the black slavery that was and may still be going on in Africa? The blacks enslaved other tribes to do there work and I never see mention of these acts? So are blacks required to pay reparations to themselves?
Dropping the bombs does not, in the slightest, shame me. We were faced with the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Allied lives to attack the mainland…these were some of the most savage people on earth at that time and they killed prisoners and starved prisoners because they considered surrendering to be shameful. The bombs ended the war! OOOORAH~!
Collective punishment of innocent and guilty alike is the #2 sacrament of the demented wokery that replaces religion in the life of a leftist, coming right after abortion on demand. One more reason to treat them as enemy occupiers rather than our countrymen.
I couldn’t agree more!
An American businessman was in Hiroshima for meetings with Mazda. As with most VIPs, his hosts took him to visit the Peace Park at Ground Zero. After some silent contemplation, his hosts asked him what his thoughts were. “I think your country will never attack my country ever again.”