I have been utterly baffled by the raging hard-on that the Democrats have for impeaching Donald Trump a second time.
I know that they are power-mad, but someone within their ranks had to explain to them the big picture of what they are doing.
The House impeaches the President, which is the indictment. That goes to the Senate for trial. A supermajority of the Senate can throw the president out of office, but a simple majority can stop him from holding future federal office.
They want to do that, stop him from running again in 2024.
Here’s the thing, and keep in mind this is coming from someone who didn’t vote for him in 2016 and was won over enough to vote for him in 2020:
His last days in office really burned a lot of bridges and made him super toxic. There is no way he could mount another campaign after that. His best bet there would have to have left graciously and said something like “we’ll be back in 2024 to fix everything Biden ruined by then.” Had he not done that and left graciously, he could have been a GOP kingmaker and his endorsement would have held weight. Now he’s just radioactive.
All impeaching him to prevent him from holding future office does is make him a martyr to his most loyal fanbase and proves that the Democrats had a personal vendetta against him.
It’s also an ugly distraction in the first few months of the Biden administration, which might be necessary since Biden is fucking everything up by the minute.
The Democrats would best be served to let bygones be bygones. Why fan the flames except for the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless?
Now I figured it out.
Some National Guard troops will stay in DC due to concerns of unrest during impeachment trial
Plans to keep thousands of National Guard troops in Washington through the end of the month are driven in part over concerns about more unrest during upcoming impeachment proceedings and also anticipation of President Biden’s upcoming first address to a joint session of Congress, according to defense officials familiar with the current planning.
The concern stems from what the officials said were ongoing chatter about demonstrations picked up by federal law enforcement.
On Thursday, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser referenced “intelligence from our federal partners that would suggest that we need more presence,” but she did not elaborate.
There is also discussion the troops will stay through March because of intelligence about other upcoming demonstrations and threats, the official said. The original deployment was for a minimum 30 days.
It won’t end there, I guarantee it.
After the trial they will say there is a continued threat and so there will be a permanent military occupation of DC.
On top of 1984 and Brave New World, The Hunger Games is now a model for how they intend to govern the US.
I think President Trump should announce his candidacy for 2024 today.
This way, he can claim that pursuing impeachment against him is an abuse of the power of the office(s) of the President, Speaker, and Senate Majority Leader. And since he got impeached in Feb for that very offense, there is precedent.
Didn’t some schmuck say: never let a crisis go to waste? 😏
President Trump is the only VIABLE candidate right now for 2024. Who else in the Whig, er, “republican” party will be anything but another doormat for socialist appeasement? Mittens? JEB!? Cruz had a shot but he belongs in the Senate or on the Supreme Court. If the uniparty tries another doormat, there won’t be a “2” party system anymore.
The Republican party is finished. 80% of the party still supports Trump. The Republican party leadership? They are still part of the “never Trump” party.
I know that a good number of Republicans are leaving the party, for just that reason.
Trump’s approval rating went UP after the 6th. Both with republicans and the general public.
I don’t know why people think that disqualifying a person from future office requires only a simple majority. But in any case, that is part of “conviction” which requires 2/3rd. Only if that happens is disqualification on the table.
While I agree with the reasoning that you put forward on why the Democrats want security extended at the Capitol, I feel people are stuck thinking inside the box here. The king of England was safe inside a well guarded palace on another continent during the revolution. I believe the colonists started out by tarring and expelling his tax collectors and beurocrats first.
Major error here IMO: “a simple majority can stop him from holding future federal office” The way I read the Constitution, it seems pretty clear the Senate has to convict first with a supermajority of 67. THEN and ONLY then, can they decide on whether or not to bar him from future office. The constitution is silent on whether that vote, ALSO, would require a supermajority to pass. ASFAIK, that is the only basis on which these ideas are being pushed. You might reasonably argue as to whether, in context, that silence, means a simple majority will do at that point, but it doesn’t mean they can impose the penalty without first convicting, and it takes a pretty tortured reading to accept that that initial conviction doesn’t require 2/3. If the Supremes uphold that idea, we are well and truly screwed. Not to say it can’t, but that’s not textualism or originalism or anything similar.
J’s still got a textbook case of TDS clouding his perspective, I see.
As much as I think it’s good to have contrary opinions available, you really might want to re-evaluate your views, because Trump is the one thing you seem to be consistently wrong about.
as I said on here on Jan 6 – in troops-from-all-over-the-country
After the protest / riot at the Capitol, and with DemocRATS controlling the White House, House of Reps, the Senate, the Mayor of DC, and the DC council I believe that DC will become a police state. With the National Guard / US mil / DC police on every corner, and patrolling in Humvees, in teams of 2/3/4 in close proximity to each other; with orders to arrest anyone causing any kind of disturbance. Breaking up, by any means necessary, any groups of people. I believe that the ROE of the Capitol Police either have been or will be changed to allow a more weapons free environment for the Capitol Police. One thing I know for sure DemocRAT, Republican, or Independent TPTB will NEVER allow what happened on 06January 2021 to happen again – EVER.
All the talk about 2024 is cute. What makes anyone think that voting matters now?
It won’t. Read this:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-voting-democracy-voting-rights-coronavirus-pandemic-7fc2dde742c261ea897b127254377baa
Yeah, I don’t think they’re impeaching Trump to make sure he can’t run in 2024. I think they’re impeaching Trump because they think that by killing our glorious leader, they’ll demoralize us.
They don’t realize that right-wing hierarchy is decentralized. We don’t find a leader to march in lock-step with. We rally around people we respect.
They think we’re like them. They have respected leaders who are better than them because they’re the leaders, and they will follow anything those leaders say. Literally anything, even if it means their own death, or killing their own family. I’ve seen them do a 180 on a topic just because their leaders changed the talking point. It’s why so many of them were willing to die if it would give RBG one more year in office, and why they thought corrupting Fox News would demoralize us. They didn’t realize the only reason we listened to Fox was because we trusted them. And the moment Fox betrayed that trust, there was nothing to tie us to them any longer.
The benefit of a top-down, centralized hierarchy is that it’s really easy to mobilize a large number of actors all at once. Just look at the 2020 riots. They were able to assemble hundreds of rioters overnight, bussed in from other states, because the riots weren’t grass-roots. They were centralized, taking marching orders from on-high, and if your boss tells you to go to the riot, you go to the riot. You may get arrested, or even die, but it’s your role to serve in the glorious cause.
Bottom-up, decentralized hierarchy is harder to mobilize quickly, but it’s almost impossible to demoralize, because there’s no central authority to attack. The next guy just moves into place, and the group continues on. Groups fracture and reform fluidly, as the mission dictates.
We need to play our strengths, and attack their weaknesses.