The NYPD is the second biggest purchaser of guns in the country after the federal government, Stringer said, but the department has refused to disclose exactly how much it spends on firearms for security reasons.
Cops choose their own guns from a department list of approved models.Backers say that if the city tells gun manufacturers they’ll buy from whoever produces the technology, the industry will fall in line.
“We want to create that market. We demand a smart gun. And the company that produces the smart gun will get our business,” Stringer said. “These gun manufacturers, they don’t want to introduce smart guns because they’ve got to take on their friends at the NRA. We’re now going to say to the NRA, we’re bigger than you, we’re stronger than you. Because we’ve got the money.”
Source: Top pols urge mayor to invest in smart guns for NYPD – NY Daily News
NYPD is what? 35,000 cops? So let’s exercise power and buy all of them a new pistol…but that would only amount to one month or maybe a month and a half of gun sales…. in New York State. According to ATF numbers, there were 34,195 background checks which included 11,963 for handguns and 15,324 for long guns…in February alone.
Notably absent from the Daily (We hate the NRA soooo much!) News are comments from the NYPD Union or rank and file members. I mean, if they are the ones that are going to get socked with this guns, they should have a say about it, right?
New York politicians should stop riding the Magical Government Unicorn for Gun Control and figure out a way to reduce violence.
And for you laughing pleasure, please check the photo from the article and accompanying caption.
You just can’t make this s*** up.
Hat Tip to The Gun Writer.
The politicians might like “smart” guns, but I bet the rank and file don’t feel the same way. I know I have a problem trusting my life to a battery. If they are so great, why did New Jersey specifically exempt LEO’s from their smart gun law? Could it be that they know that reliable smart gun technology is years down the road?
Years? You may underestimate the difficulty of developing reliable electronics that can handle being embedded in a platform like a firearm. I’m going to bid decades at a minimum.
No, a true smart gun is a unicorn and will never exist.
All will have to rely on electronics of some sort and so all will be subject to battery failure. Depending on design, electromagnetic interference (i.e. jamming) or location identification due to broadcasting will be crucial issues. The failure to pair with firearm if using a ring or watch should be obvious when looking at your iPhone and BlueTooth. Biometrics fail with gloves, blood, dirt and mud and other debris. Even if any of the means could be flawless, there would still be a time lag for them to work.
All will have greater than a zero percent failure rate and thus they will all reduce the reliability of firearms.
They will will not overcome the issue of use by a non-authorized, but good guy, in an emergency, because firearms and electronics do not discern intent.
Meanwhile, retention holsters prevent many gun grabs from police and NDs are an insignificant number.
Truly a fantasy solution in search of a non-existent problem with all sorts of downsides. The real goal is to make firearms prohibitively expensive and the government would arrange for a back-door exploit to disarm the citizens.
So they’re gonna implement smart gun tech on a firearm with an overweighted trigger that can’t even be fired as accurately by even the top marksmen in the country? Who is surprised that the NYPD would do the worst job possible arming its force?
http://www.erikrobertnelson.com/2012/08/28/nypd-guns-have-12-pound-trigger-pull-are-they-crazy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/yxx0w/nypd_officer_ama_all_questions_regarding_12lb/
http://bearingarms.com/nypd-a-dangerous-philosophy/
All the gun manufacturers have to do is sell guns and magazines with a legal, binding restriction that they cannot be used by any governmental agency in an area where the guns and magazines cannot be legally possessed by ordinary citizens. With a contractual incentive (say, a cool million dollars per contractual violation) to stay within the bounds of the contract.
This contractual obligation would have to be durable and transfer with the firearm no matter how many times it’s sold (I hate to add stamped text on the firearm, but that would do it).
You’d see magazine bans and firearm restrictions vanish overnight, because the po-po would have to get on our side if they want their toys.
Either that, or one heck of a lot of firearm companies are going vanish if a civilian ban on firearms materializes and they can only sell to the government, which is a drop in the bucket of sales.
Seems to me such a move made immediately would be in the firearm industry’s best interest.
O2
Brilliant idea. I tire of LEOs getting special toys that I am denied because I am merely a citizen and I do not wear a polyester blue uniform.
A while back I wrote Jonathan mossberg on smart guns. My comment was short and to the point it’s as follows, and his “response” back to me:
I would not buy this “smart gun” product ever! The more moving parts to a firearm there are the more likely it is to fail when you need it most. This is a terrible idea.
If it’s not broke don’t fix it, firearms are just fine. We need smart people not smart guns.
That was my comment in its entirety. This was the redponse:
K,
“If it’s not broke, don’t fix it.” I love that comment coming from supposedly intelligent people. “More moving parts….. more likely to fail….” Like adding a safety button to guns in the 1800’s to early 1900’s? Was that a dumb idea? Like the most reliable shotgun in the world adding components to the bolt to prevent accidental discharges in the 1990’s when I was part of it. Can you find a manufacturer today that does not have some type of safety feature on a firearm? I can’t. Glock / S&W striker system with no manual safety? Bull. It’s a great safety system with the extra trigger cam, pins, springs, blocks, etc. My DAO pistols? They are packed with more parts than guns years ago and they are actually more reliable.
It’s possible you listened to that troll who is most likely an anti-gun or other plant hoping to stir up contempt to our product. Here is my answer to him:
+Eddy J Wow, thanks for the whopping 3 emails that were all copy/pasted saying the same thing. Perhaps you might like to actually read our position statements on firearms, smartguns, government and ramifications thereof. Do you know why we are in this business? Maybe you could take a minute and read the following:
“Mr. Mossberg sir , After speaking with you I felt compelled to reach out to you and express my thoughts on your iGun technology . Please continue the research and development into the use of this technology for the handgun .The number one concern of a security professional in a [special situation] institution is ‘what happens if the weapon is taken away.”
As a 27 year veteran in law enforcement and a victim of gun violence there is a need . My field training officer ( a very good friend of my family today ) was shot 6 times when his revolver was taken away from him by a robbery suspect . If there is anything I can help with in the future please don’t hesitate to contact me and once again thank you for your time .
Sincerely J. [-]
Safety Director [of special situation institution]”
Do you want to deny this Safety Director the ability to arm his staff? He would much rather have his guys carry guns than toothpicks. Are you an anti-gun plant or troll? It seems like it.
Right now the Director’s guys carry no firearms, but the Director wants them to. He is concerned about a takeaway situation and looks to us to solve his problem. iGun does not have any tracking features. It cannot be turned on or off by anybody but the user. It is simply a Mission Specific tool for Air Marshals, Prison Guards, School Resource Officers, Border Patrol, Homeowners, and others who want a choice.
We realize it is not a tool for illiterate extremists who don’t bother to read our mission statement. And we consider ourselves rather extreme in our views of America, our 2nd Amendment rights, and our Constitution. Unlike some nasty critics…. we actually do a little research. Maybe you could do the same. Most of the iGun team involved are hard-core hunters, NRA members and owners of multiple firearms – like dozens. Lots of dozens.
We are real gun enthusiasts. We were skeptical of the smart gun concept at first until we learned of a real need/market for certain applications. If you don’t want the Director in the above letter to buy iGuns for his officers serving a facility with thousands of patients, we would like to know why and will pass along your comments to him. Perhaps even arrange an interview for you with his company to explain how you might go about protecting staff, patients, family and visitors without the need for a gun….
Wasn’t America built on freedom? Freedom to choose, or not choose a product developed for legal markets? If your above comments are your true feelings, you are as despicable as the anti-gunners who learn no facts, read nothing about the truth that 200 times a day guns are used to prevent violence, and use emotion to drive their ideas rather than their brains.
Now, to appease you a bit, we do realize that there are some smart gun advocates that want GPS tracking, micro-stamping, and Big Brother, B.S. We hate that concept, but sometimes are grouped in with them due to media reporting. So we get your frustration. But we are not them. We’ll tell you one thing. Smart guns are coming. iGun Technology will testify in court if necessary to their limitations and that they should not be mandated. We even threatened to stamp our boxes and product, “Not for sale in states wanting a mandate.” Serious.
Do you want NRA members and gun enthusiasts like us to introduce smartguns in a responsible way that includes freedom of choice, or do you want anti-gun patsy’s who know nothing about reliability, guns, or America to introduce them?
K,
This is written by me. Not my marketing people, not my advisers, not my lawyers, just me. I like to listen to admirers and critics, but only when they have the facts.
If you can relate to our stance, a positive comment would be appreciated, if not, let me know why and I’ll try to personally address your concerns.
Best Regards,
Jonathan Mossberg
CEO
iGun Technology Corp.
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If it’s not broke don’t fix it, firearms are just fine. We need smart people not smart guns.
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FBI versus Apple.
I see nothing wrong with disarming the NYPD.